brotherofJared
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Was Jesus human when he told them that they would die like men? Is it not possible that they were also not human when they were told that they would die like men? Jesus became human and then died like a man. It seems, therefore, likely that they became human and died like men. That condemnation to die like men seems to be a relatively insignificant condemnation to tell men. They all already know they will die, they are men. This is one of Heiser's main points that these are not men and his reasoning is basically what I just said. Why tell men they are going to die like men? It's as dumb as telling someone that is alive and well that you predict that they continue to breath for the next 5 minutes.2. So, IF these "gods" would die like men and fall like any prince, then that can ONLY mean they are human! You claim that God can die, since Jesus died. But Jesus was FIRST God, who then took on the additional nature of man, so HE COULD DIE.
You assume they are human because of the word elohim is used elsewhere to mean human judges, but the text doesn't support that for many reasons. 1. They don't appear to be human (what humans do you know that can stand in the presence of God). 2. The only references to the the divine council are where God is talking to everyone, as opposed to a specific prophet being present in the room, are all pre-creation texts. This would be one of those and 3. There is no instance in all of the scriptures where God ever stood in a council of human judges on earth, ever. These are but a few.
We didn't forget anything. It is our theology that man is co-eternal with God. We are neither created nor made. But that is another debate, but don't confuse "forgetfulness" with established doctrine. That is your theology, not ours. It's not something we forgot.Because God is eternal and uncreated. Man is NOT. This is something Mormons continually choose to forget--Jesus HAD to become a man, HAD TO take on the additional nature of man, so He could die! But His God nature did NOT die on Calvary's cross!
Having said that, we all took on the additional nature of man. It is part of our progress to become like God, the Father who is also a resurrected man just like Jesus is.
We're not anymore dead after this mortal body is laid in the grave than we were before we were born. It seems that modern Christians are aware that the spirit does not need the body to live. But for some reason, they don't think either existed before the body was formed in the womb. If it can live after the body is dead, why can't it live before the body is born? Well, there's no answer to that one is there?Therefore, His Deity did NOT die when He died on the cross--else, how could He raise up His own dead body from the grave?