Theo1689
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Seeing the Biblical NT separates out God the Son from the "one God"--and appoints the "one God" as the God and Father of Jesus Christ--that isn't going to get the mileage you might hope for.
First of all, NO Biblical text DENIES that Jesus is God.
And many Biblical texts AFFIRM it
You seem to be trying to pit Scripture against Scripture, by trying to argue that some texts emphasize the Father being God, to deny that ONLY ONE GOD exists.
BOTH are true.
But you keep RUNNING AWAY from all the "only one god exists", passages, so nothing ever gets accomplished.
First--you might want to explain to us why God the Son is separated out from the "one God"--and claimed the "one God" was His God and Father:
Why don't we finish BONNIE's discussion (instead of you constantly running away from it),a and THEN we can address your criticism.
But no, that doesn't jive with your "the Mormon needs to take total control over the discussion" tactic, does it?
1 Corinthians 8:6---King James Version (KJV)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Yes, the Father is God. But that doesn't preclude Him from being Lord.
And Jesus is Lord. But that doesn't preclude Him from being God.
After all, Paul wrote the above.
But Paul ALSO wrote the following:
Rom. 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Tit. 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
So clearly Paul recognized Jesus as "God".
1 Timothy 2:5--King James Version (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Yes, there IS "one God".
Too bad you reject that marvellous Biblical truth.
We've been showing this to you for months, Deut. 4:35,39, Deut. 32:39, 1 Kings 8:60, Ps. 86:10, Isa. 44:6,8, Isa. 45:5,21,22, Isa. 46:9, Mark 12:32, 1 Cor. 8:4, etc. etc.
But this doesn't deny that Jesus is God.
And yes, "the man Christ Jesus".
Jesus is both God and man.
John 1:1-14 tells us that Jesus was the word who was God, and then was made flesh.
Ephesians 4:4-6--King James Version (KJV)
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
"Father" often means "Creator" (cf. Isa. 64:8, Mal. 2:10).
This isn't referring to "Heavenly Father", as distinct from the Son.
John 17:3---King James Version (KJV)
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Again, this doesn't deny that Jesus is God.
Do you know what else John taught (that you seem to have IGNORED)?:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. [...]. 14 Now the Word became flesh and took up residence among us. We saw his glory—the glory of the one and only, full of grace and truth, who came from the Father.
John 20:28 Thomas replied to [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the solemn truth, before Abraham came into existence, I am!”* 59 Then they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus was hidden from them and went out from the temple area.
*I am! is an explicit claim to deity. Although each occurrence of the phrase “I am” in the Fourth Gospel needs to be examined individually in context to see if an association with Exod 3:14 is present, it seems clear that this is the case here (as the response of the Jewish authorities in the following verse shows).
Matthew 22:44 ---King James Version (KJV)
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, [...]
Yes, the Father is "Lord", and the Son is "Lord", yet there is only one "Lord".
1 Peter 1:3--King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, [...]
Yes, God the Father is God.
But that doesn't deny that Jesus is likewise God.
The apostle Peter wrote 1 Peter.
He also wrote 2 Peter.
And this is what he wrote there:
2Pet. 1:1 From Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours.
Peter calls Jesus, "Our GOD and Saviour".
So don't try to deny Peter believes Jesus is God.
John 20:17---King James Version (KJV)
17 [...]I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Yes, Jesus did not ascend to Himself.
He ascended to the Father.
But that doesn't deny that Jesus is God.
Continue reading for about 11 more verses:
John 20:28 Thomas replied to [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”
Ephesians 1:17---King James Version (KJV)
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, [...]
Yes, Jesus' Father is God. Nobody ever denied that.
But that doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God.
Paul wrote Ephesians.
He also wrote the following:
Rom. 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Tit. 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Clearly Paul recognized Jesus as God.
Hebrews 1:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 [...] therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Yes.... But if you read Heb. 1:9, then hopefully you read Heb. 1:8 just prior to it (I mean, you wouldn't be "proof-texting" and ripping verses out of their context, would you?):
Heb. 1:8 but of the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.
God calls Jesus ("the Son") "God".
So it looks like you've STRUCK OUT at every turn.