Keeping the commandments and LDS theology

[Theo1689]

Yes, Bonnie--I wrote that, and yes, obeying is a work, and keeping the commandments is a work. And God gives His grace unto life, as a personal reception ---only to them which obey Him.

So your beliefs are contrary to the Bible:

Rom. 4:1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
Rom. 4:7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”


Not to mention:

Eph. 2:8 ... And this is not your own doing ...
Eph. 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
2 Tim. 1:9 who saved us ... not because of our works
Tit. 3:5 he saved us, not because of works ...
Rom. 4:5 And to the one who does not work ... his faith is counted as righteousness,
Rom. 4:6 ... the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
Rom. 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works;

 

[Bonnie]

Yes, Bonnie--I wrote that, and yes, obeying is a work, and keeping the commandments is a work. And God gives His grace unto life, as a personal reception ---only to them which obey Him.

Then why did you say you wrote no such statement--when you DID? In an earlier post,as I proved?

God grave His salvational grace unto all, providing the OPPORTUNITY to inherit life--as a free gift to all men:

Romans 5:18---King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

There is a difference between the opportunity--and the reception.

IOW--we all have the opportunity to gain an education. That is a right we all have--bought by the blood of those who fought for our freedom and right to do so. Free gift to all Americans.

To gain a diploma--one must obey the criteria set by the college.

Hate to remind you of this, but colleges are rarely free--they charge tuition. A FEE. Money.

The same principle in the new covenant. God bought the right for us to inherit eternal life through His Blood Atonement for the sins of the whole world--releasing all men from the condemnation of the Fall. That presents all men with the opportunity to inherit eternal life, as we are now absolved from the condemnation of death and hell--which befell all men due to the Fall. Free gift to all men. Christ alone.

To inherit eternal life--as a personal reception--one must follow the Redeemer:

John 10:27-28---King James Version
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

What does "MY" mean, dberrie? You have yet to answer me, have you? Care to answer that simple question?

SO--what you are really saying is that Jesus' atonement gives us the OPPORTUNITY to EARN God's salvational grace, by the WORK of obeying His commandments--isn't it? In other words, we access this grace from God by obeying His commands--is that it?

But that is not what the Bible says, is it:

Romans 5--Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through Whom we have gained access BY FAITH into this grace in which we now stand.

How does Paul say we access the faith "by which we now stand"? Did he say it was by obeying the Commandments? What did he actually write? I capitalized the word to make it easier to find...will you answer my simple question?

 

[Redeemed]

Then why did you say you wrote no such statement--when you DID?

SO--what you are really saying is that Jesus' atonement gives us the OPPORTUNITY to EARN God's salvational grace, by the WORK of obeying His commandments--is that it?

Oh Wow, I'd say your post pretty much sums This thread all up.
Saying that the cross gives us the opportunity to earn God's salvation of grace is seriously blaspheming the Holy Spirit and the only thing that comes next after that is "depart from Me for I never knew you" ouch!
Makes me think of my signature Bonnie and I'm sad to say it but I think you're kicking a dead horse. A spiritually dead horse. Poor DB

 

[Bonnie]

Oh Wow, I'd say your post pretty much sums This thread all up.
Saying that the cross gives us the opportunity to earn God's salvation of grace is seriously blaspheming the Holy Spirit and the only thing that comes next after that is "depart from Me for I never knew you" ouch!
Makes me think of my signature Bonnie and I'm sad to say it but I think you're kicking a dead horse. A spiritually dead horse. Poor DB

Yup....we are saved only by grace and not works--but we ONLY receive that grace IF we obey the commandments, according to Mormonism...which is a WORK we do....yet, we are not saved by our works. ...poor Mormons...trying to EARN the UNEARNABLE.

 

[Redeemed]

Yup....we are saved only by grace and not works--but we ONLY receive that grace IF we obey the commandments, according to Mormonism...which is a WORK we do....yet, we are not saved by our works. ...poor Mormons...trying to EARN the UNEARNABLE.

It's actually quite a bit worse than that. It saying that what Christ did on the cross wasn't enough. Wasn't good enough and that we need to add something to that. We both know that's not what the Bible teaches.

2 Corinthians 12:9 says His Grace is made perfect in our weakness not in our strength to do works or "after all we can do"

 

[Bonnie]

It's actually quite a bit worse than that. It saying that what Christ did on the cross wasn't enough. Wasn't good enough and that we need to add something to that. We both know that's not what the Bible teaches.

2 Corinthians 12:9 says His Grace is made perfect in our weakness not in our strength to do works or "after all we can do"
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Excellent point, Redeemed! Better to rely on Jesus' perfect strength, than on OUR puny "strength!"