Josheb
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You cannot make statements like that and expect people to agree if there's not scriptural support provided. The fact of scripture is God looked at Adam and God Himself deemed Him good. I am unaware of any scripture dichotomizing "natural" and "spiritual" prior to Genesis 3:7. Even in the post-disobedient state God saw fit to have sinful men filled with His Spirit (albeit not in a redeemed manner but filled nonetheless). The pre-disobedient Adam was not a 1 Cor. 2:14 natural man.All that is true but nevertheless Adam had a disposition that Jesus did not have having a natural mind and not a spiritual mind
No one has a spiritual life the way Jesus has! Jesus is God! Don't start sounding like Gary thinking you can be Jesus. Jesus could actually consider equality with God something to be grasped. He has never known sin in any way but you and I will always bear the mark of disobedience and only in our glorification of Christ resurrected will that mark become mark of honor testifying to God's great power of grace, mercy, forgiveness, redemption, reconciliation, etc. One day we will be raised incorruptible but that won't change the fact a price was paid.He did not have spiritual life like Jesus did.
Adam not being Jesus does not mean he was a natural man to the exclusion of also being a spiritual man.
You'll have to show me the scripture - correctly rendered - to make that case.
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That's a post-Genesis 3:7 condition. That's not a pre-disobedient condition. That's not the way God made him. The 1 Corinthians 15 Adam is not the Romans 5 Adam. There's nothing inherently sinful or dead about the living soul Adam (1 Cor. 15). The Romans 5 Adam that has acted disobediently is dead in sin. That guy has fallen under the domain of the law of sin and death (see my op-reply on Post #18). Paul's 1 Corinthian 15 "living soul" Adam is the Genesis 2:7 Adam, not the Genesis 3:6-7 Adam. The two should not be conflated or confused.He was in darkness because he hid not have spiritual life.
Yes, he did, but it was not because he was inherently sinful or because the natural and spiritual are mutually exclusive conditions.As you know Adam need Jesus to save him even before he sinned.
Make your case. I'll read it. I'll give credit where warranted, affirm what is correct, refute what is wrong, and ask about what is either not understood or what is not made clear.