Lazarus ....!

[Howie]

Yes

He did? Lazarus was dragged out of the tomb?

 

[Reformedguy]

Human action is clearly indicated and demanded in Eph 1:4 when we are told to "be holy and without blame before Him in Love":

(Eph 1:4) according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

How can one satisfy that requirement without being a Christian who believes "in Christ"?

No, it's not clearly indicated. Why are you to be holy and blameless according to the text? "that would should be".

 

[4Him]

Yet you did not exist to be in Christ .

Predestined to be In Christ from the foundation of the world.

 

[4Him]

Please forward Bible verse that says that without conflating election and predestination.

Already addressed.

 

[Synergy]

How many times have I told you that. You have selective hearing and a novel theology.

Did you ever say that faith is so critical that it precedes regeneration or do you have selective memory and a novel theology.

 

[Christian]

Predestined to be In Christ from the foundation of the world.

predestined in Him is not being saved in Him since no one existed before the foundation of the world, We are in Him when we become saved since we were all outside of Christ as many passages teach and enemies of Christ prior to salvation. See Eph 2.

 

[Christian]

He did? Lazarus was dragged out of the tomb?

Yes isn't that what " Draw " means. Did Jesus draw Him out of the tomb ?

Does Jesus draw all men unto Him ?

Yes or no ?

 

[Synergy]

Theological novelty. ^^

How can one possibly be elect "in Him" without being a Christian who believes "in Him"?

 

[American Gothic]

Predestined to be In Christ from the foundation of the world.

so no responsibility on the part of Man at all?

 

[Synergy]

No, it's not clearly indicated. Why are you to be holy and blameless according to the text?

That's our election. Plain and simple.

"that would should be".

Where did you get this quote from?

 

[Christian]

How can one possibly be elect "in Him" without being a Christian who believes "in Him"?

Impossible watson

 

[Synergy]

Already addressed.

You still can't forward any Bible verse to support your presuppositions without conflating election and predestination. Got it.

 

[Christian]

You still can't forward any Bible verse to support your presuppositions without conflating election and predestination. Got it.

And foreknowledge. Those He foreknew He also predestined.

 

[Synergy]

Impossible watson

Once all Calvinist presuppositions and novelties are identified and removed then the message of the Bible dawns on that person.

 

[Reformedguy]

predestined in Him is not being saved in Him since no one existed before the foundation of the world, We are in Him when we become saved since we were all outside of Christ as many passages teach and enemies of Christ prior to salvation. See Eph 2.

No one says otherwise. That does not preclude you from being chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world.

 

[Christian]

No one says otherwise. That does not preclude you from being chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world.

the question becomes what does " chosen in him " mean ?

that is where disagreements are found.

 

[Reformedguy]

the question becomes what does " chosen in him " mean ?

that is where disagreements are found.

True. Whatever it is it occurs from the foundation of the world and its God doing the choosing

 

[Christian]

True. Whatever it is it occurs from the foundation of the world and its God doing the choosing

what does chosen in Him mean for you ?

 

[Synergy]

And foreknowledge. Those He foreknew He also predestined.

Yes, since God is not bound by time then He can foresee everything even our glorification.

 

[Reformedguy]

what does chosen in Him mean for you ?

That's a good question. I would understand like chosen TO BE in Him. Granted to be is not in the text.