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Our election is conditional on being positioned "in Him" and on our diligence:

2 Pet 1:10 "Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things, you shall never fall."

Eph 1:4 "according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, "
Neither verse says election is conditional
 
No, it doesn't.
Our election is conditional on being positioned "in Him" and on our diligence:

2 Pet 1:10 "Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things, you shall never fall."

Eph 1:4 "according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, "
From the foundation of the world He predestined us. Those IN CHRIST, stay IN CHRIST.
We are kept by the power of God, sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise who is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance.
Jesus will lose NONE that the Father has given to Him....His sheep shall NEVER perish.
The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus". When do you think they were positioned "in Christ"?

(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
 
Our election is conditional on being positioned "in Him" and on our diligence:

2 Pet 1:10 "Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things, you shall never fall."

Eph 1:4 "according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, "

The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus". When do you think they were positioned "in Christ"?

(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
I pick "before the foundation of the world"

Is that right?
 
Our election is conditional on being positioned "in Him" and on our diligence:

Who is the One who "positions" us in Him?

2 Pet 1:10 "Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things, you shall never fall."

This does not say that "We put ourselves in Him".

Eph 1:4 "according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, "

This does not say "We put ourselves in Him".

The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus". When do you think they were positioned "in Christ"?

(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.

None of these say "We put ourselves in Him".
 
"Being put in Christ" is passive. We don't do it to ourselves.
"Chosen" is passive. We don't do it to ourselves.

I'm familar with the doctrine.

Ever get chains put on you and complain about not being?
 
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I pick "before the foundation of the world"

Is that right?
The only thing you pick is to repent and believe "in Christ". God saves those who repent and believe "in Him". God, on the other hand, has the power and ability to chose you "in Him" before the foundation of the world.
 
Who is the One who "positions" us in Him?
God saves those who believe "in Him". Then God positions us "in Him". We do not possess that superhuman strength.
This does not say that "We put ourselves in Him".
This does not say "We put ourselves in Him".
None of these say "We put ourselves in Him".
Talk to the person you're quoting. He must think he is superhuman.
 
The only thing you pick is to repent and believe "in Christ". God saves those who repent and believe "in Him". God, on the other hand, has the power and ability to chose you "in Him" before the foundation of the world.
So God chose us before the foundation of the world, and we repent and believe?

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So God chose us before the foundation of the world, and we repent and believe?

Welcome to Calvinism
According to Eph 1:4, our election is conditional on us being positioned by God "in Him". That can only happen when we believe "in Him".

Welcome to Biblical Arminian Synergy.
 
According to Eph 1:4, our election is conditional on us being positioned by God "in Him". That can only happen when we believe "in Him".

Welcome to Biblical Arminian Synergy.
You already agreed we were chosen "in Him" before the foundation of the world. We couldn't believe "in Him" at that time because we weren't alive back then.

Welcome back to Calvinism....
 
If you are not "in Him", does Eph 1:4 still hold?

If you are negligent with your election, does 2 Pet 1:10 still hold?
Sure. It says you are chosen in Him which comes about in time at the time of God's choosing.
Sure does. By the grace of God. The Bible says He is able to keep you from falling and we know He will lose none.
 
You already agreed we were chosen "in Him" before the foundation of the world. We couldn't believe "in Him" at that time because we weren't alive back then.

Welcome back to Calvinism....
The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus".

(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.

They were positioned in Christ when they believed "in Christ". Once that's accomplished then we are positioned "in Christ" in the heavenlies, beyond space and time, making Eph 1:4 correct in saying that God chose us "in Him" before the foundation of the world.

Welcome back to Biblical Arminian Synergy.


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Sure. It says you are chosen in Him which comes about in time at the time of God's choosing.
Sure does. By the grace of God. The Bible says He is able to keep you from falling and we know He will lose none.
The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus". When were the Ephesians chosen by God to be "in Christ"?

(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
 
The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus".

(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.

They were positioned in Christ when they believed "in Christ". Once that's accomplished then we are positioned "in Christ" in the heavenlies, beyond space and time, making Eph 1:4 correct in saying that God chose us "in Him" before the foundation of the world.

Welcome back to Biblical Arminian Synergy.


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Question begging. That in no way proves synergism.
 
The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus". When were the Ephesians chosen by God to be "in Christ"?

(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
Ya? So what. I was once without Christ. Now I am in Christ because I was chosen from the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4

I would also add the only action in 1:4 is by God. Where do you find human action in 1:4?? You just assume
 
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