LDS Temples

Theo1689

Well-known member
Here is one of the "bait-and-switch" tactics that Mormons engage in. They see a word, "temple", in Scripture, and then they ASSUME that it is referring to "Mormon temples", projecting everything "Mormon" about their own temples, upon the Biblical reference.

But we know that Jewish (ie. Biblical) temples had absolutely ZERO relation to Mormon "temples".


ONE Temple

The Jews only had ONE temple. Originally, the tribe of Levi had a "tabernacle" (or "tent of meeting"), which they set up when they camped, and took down when they moved, and set back up when they made a new camp. There was only ONE tabernacle, only ONE house of God.

Eventually the Jews ended up in Jerusalem, where Solomon built a permanent temple ("Solomon's Temple") in 957 B.C. This was where the Aaronic Priests worked, and offered sacrifices for the sins of the nation. The priests also lived off the meat of the sacrifices, as well as from donations from the Jews. Nebuchadnezzar eventually destroyed the temple in 587 B.C.

The temple was replaced by the Second Temple, which began construction in 516 B.C. This did not mean that that there were "two temples", the Second Temple replaced the first temple, which had been destroyed. Herod made major improvements to the Temple ("Herod's Temple"), but it was eventually destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70.

The Jews have never yet rebuilt the (one) Temple, and for the most part it was because they didn't have access to Jerusalem until 1948. They have an eschatological revelation that a Third Temple will be built, as they need it to resume sacrifices for sin. But they would only build ONE temple, and that temple would be in the same location, in Jerusalem. As for Christians, Jesus became our ultimate sacrifice, negating the need for any further physical temples.

The temple is the "house of God" on Earth. God only had ONE location on Earth. It was originally Mount Horeb, where Moses met Him, but as Israel travelled teh "House of God" became the tabernacle, and once the Jews were led to Jerusalem, the permanent "House of God" was built, the Temple in Jerusalem. God doesn't have "houses" to travel to and fro between, like a "summer house" or a "winter house".


Priests and Prophets

There were two main "offices" or "roles" for certain Jews to perform in Judaism, and both of those roles relate men to God.

Priests - The role of the priest is to approach God, on behalf of the sins of men, offering sacrifices for sin. God chose the tribe of Levi from the sons of Israel to be priests to Him, and that is why they are called "Levitical" priests, or "Aaronic" Priests (since Aaron and Moses were sons of Levi). Unlike the other tribes of Israel, who were free to raise livestock or crops, to support themselves, the tribe of Levi was dedicated to serving the Lord on behalf of the people. They didn't have the time or resources to grow livestock or crops, which is why God instituted the "tithe", which was put in place to support the priests.
(Priests were Israel's "voice" to God.)

Prophets - The role of the prophet was to receive messages from God and convey those messages to the people.
(Prophets were Israel's "ears" for God.)


The Jewish (Biblical) Temple

The Jewish temple, which is THE (one) temple spoken of in the Bible, was the place where the Levitical Priests worked to perform sacrifices on behalf of the sins of the people.

I found this good summary of temple sacrifices from a website called "Bible Odyssey":

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Instructions for the performance of various types of sacrifices are found in the first seven chapters of the book of Leviticus. There are five main types of grain and animal sacrifice:

  • Burnt offering (Hebrew, ‘olah; literally, “ascending offering”; Lev 1, Lev 6:8-13) could be a herd or flock animal (bull, sheep, or goat) or a bird (dove or pigeon). The whole animal was burned in the altar fire. It was the most extravagant sacrifice because the entirety was given to God.
  • Grain offering (Hebrew, minhah; literally, “gift”; Lev 2, Lev 6:14-23) was an offering of fine flour or unleavened baked goods, mixed with oil. A handful of the offering was burned (with incense) in the altar fire. The rest went to the priests.
  • Sacrifice of well-being/fellowship offering (Hebrew, zevah shelamim; Lev 3, Lev 7:11-35) could be a herd or flock animal. Innards (fat, kidneys, and part of the liver) were burned in the altar fire. Most of the animal was eaten, divided between the priests and the offerer. This sacrifice was associated with feasting and well-being.
  • Sin/purification offering (Hebrew, hatta’t; Lev 4:1-5:13, Lev 6:24-30) dealt with disruption in the relationship between human beings and God. The offering depended on the identity and status of the person required to make it. The chief priest, for example, had to bring a bull, whereas ordinary Israelites brought a female goat or lamb. Those who were too poor to afford a goat or sheep could offer birds, and an offering of grain flour was acceptable from the very poor.
  • Guilt offering (Hebrew, ’asham; literally, “responsibility”; Lev 5:14-6:7, Lev 7:1-10) dealt with distinct categories of wrongdoing that disrupted the divine-human relationship, such as unintentional desecration of sacred things. The prescribed sacrifice was a flock animal. As with the sacrifice of well-being and the sin offering, innards were burned in the altar fire; the animal’s flesh was eaten by the priests.
These five varied sacrificial offerings have one element in common: the burning of some portion in the altar fire to transform the offering into smoke or a “pleasing odor” that God could enjoy.
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Now, does any of that sound like what one finds in a MORMON "temple"?


Mormon Temples

There are over 160 Mormon temples. There was only ever ONE Jewish temple. (There are none today.)
To even HAVE Mormon "temples" today is to reject the blood sacrifice of Christ, which REPLACED the need for the temple in the first place.

To contrast with Jewish temples (above), here is what happens in Mormon temples:

-washing
-anointing
-endowment
-temple marriage (sealing)
-baptism for the dead


Conclusion:

True Christians know that we have no need for a "temple", since Christ's ultimate and permanent sacrifice was an atonement for sin, "once for all time" (Heb. 10:10). That's why God never had anyone rebuild the Jewish temple after it was destroyed in A.D. 70.

Mark 14:58 “We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.’”

Christians look to a perfect temple (Christ), "not made with hands", and have no need for an imperfect temple, made with hands, originally designed to offer insufficient and flawed sacrifices year after year.

Mormons on the other hand, not only revert to pre-Christian Judaism, not only rejecting the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, but do rituals in their "temples" completely UNRELATED to what was dong in Jewish temples.

Heb. 10:11 And every priest stands day after day serving and offering the same sacrifices again and again—sacrifices that can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, he sat down at the right hand of God,
 

Redeemed

Well-known member
Here is one of the "bait-and-switch" tactics that Mormons engage in. They see a word, "temple", in Scripture, and then they ASSUME that it is referring to "Mormon temples", projecting everything "Mormon" about their own temples, upon the Biblical reference.

But we know that Jewish (ie. Biblical) temples had absolutely ZERO relation to Mormon "temples".


ONE Temple

The Jews only had ONE temple. Originally, the tribe of Levi had a "tabernacle" (or "tent of meeting"), which they set up when they camped, and took down when they moved, and set back up when they made a new camp. There was only ONE tabernacle, only ONE house of God.

Eventually the Jews ended up in Jerusalem, where Solomon built a permanent temple ("Solomon's Temple") in 957 B.C. This was where the Aaronic Priests worked, and offered sacrifices for the sins of the nation. The priests also lived off the meat of the sacrifices, as well as from donations from the Jews. Nebuchadnezzar eventually destroyed the temple in 587 B.C.

The temple was replaced by the Second Temple, which began construction in 516 B.C. This did not mean that that there were "two temples", the Second Temple replaced the first temple, which had been destroyed. Herod made major improvements to the Temple ("Herod's Temple"), but it was eventually destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70.

The Jews have never yet rebuilt the (one) Temple, and for the most part it was because they didn't have access to Jerusalem until 1948. They have an eschatological revelation that a Third Temple will be built, as they need it to resume sacrifices for sin. But they would only build ONE temple, and that temple would be in the same location, in Jerusalem. As for Christians, Jesus became our ultimate sacrifice, negating the need for any further physical temples.

The temple is the "house of God" on Earth. God only had ONE location on Earth. It was originally Mount Horeb, where Moses met Him, but as Israel travelled teh "House of God" became the tabernacle, and once the Jews were led to Jerusalem, the permanent "House of God" was built, the Temple in Jerusalem. God doesn't have "houses" to travel to and fro between, like a "summer house" or a "winter house".


Priests and Prophets

There were two main "offices" or "roles" for certain Jews to perform in Judaism, and both of those roles relate men to God.

Priests - The role of the priest is to approach God, on behalf of the sins of men, offering sacrifices for sin. God chose the tribe of Levi from the sons of Israel to be priests to Him, and that is why they are called "Levitical" priests, or "Aaronic" Priests (since Aaron and Moses were sons of Levi). Unlike the other tribes of Israel, who were free to raise livestock or crops, to support themselves, the tribe of Levi was dedicated to serving the Lord on behalf of the people. They didn't have the time or resources to grow livestock or crops, which is why God instituted the "tithe", which was put in place to support the priests.
(Priests were Israel's "voice" to God.)

Prophets - The role of the prophet was to receive messages from God and convey those messages to the people.
(Prophets were Israel's "ears" for God.)


The Jewish (Biblical) Temple

The Jewish temple, which is THE (one) temple spoken of in the Bible, was the place where the Levitical Priests worked to perform sacrifices on behalf of the sins of the people.

I found this good summary of temple sacrifices from a website called "Bible Odyssey":

------------------------------------------------------------------
Instructions for the performance of various types of sacrifices are found in the first seven chapters of the book of Leviticus. There are five main types of grain and animal sacrifice:

  • Burnt offering (Hebrew, ‘olah; literally, “ascending offering”; Lev 1, Lev 6:8-13) could be a herd or flock animal (bull, sheep, or goat) or a bird (dove or pigeon). The whole animal was burned in the altar fire. It was the most extravagant sacrifice because the entirety was given to God.
  • Grain offering (Hebrew, minhah; literally, “gift”; Lev 2, Lev 6:14-23) was an offering of fine flour or unleavened baked goods, mixed with oil. A handful of the offering was burned (with incense) in the altar fire. The rest went to the priests.
  • Sacrifice of well-being/fellowship offering (Hebrew, zevah shelamim; Lev 3, Lev 7:11-35) could be a herd or flock animal. Innards (fat, kidneys, and part of the liver) were burned in the altar fire. Most of the animal was eaten, divided between the priests and the offerer. This sacrifice was associated with feasting and well-being.
  • Sin/purification offering (Hebrew, hatta’t; Lev 4:1-5:13, Lev 6:24-30) dealt with disruption in the relationship between human beings and God. The offering depended on the identity and status of the person required to make it. The chief priest, for example, had to bring a bull, whereas ordinary Israelites brought a female goat or lamb. Those who were too poor to afford a goat or sheep could offer birds, and an offering of grain flour was acceptable from the very poor.
  • Guilt offering (Hebrew, ’asham; literally, “responsibility”; Lev 5:14-6:7, Lev 7:1-10) dealt with distinct categories of wrongdoing that disrupted the divine-human relationship, such as unintentional desecration of sacred things. The prescribed sacrifice was a flock animal. As with the sacrifice of well-being and the sin offering, innards were burned in the altar fire; the animal’s flesh was eaten by the priests.
These five varied sacrificial offerings have one element in common: the burning of some portion in the altar fire to transform the offering into smoke or a “pleasing odor” that God could enjoy.
------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, does any of that sound like what one finds in a MORMON "temple"?


Mormon Temples

There are over 160 Mormon temples. There was only ever ONE Jewish temple. (There are none today.)
To even HAVE Mormon "temples" today is to reject the blood sacrifice of Christ, which REPLACED the need for the temple in the first place.

To contrast with Jewish temples (above), here is what happens in Mormon temples:

-washing
-anointing
-endowment
-temple marriage (sealing)
-baptism for the dead


Conclusion:

True Christians know that we have no need for a "temple", since Christ's ultimate and permanent sacrifice was an atonement for sin, "once for all time" (Heb. 10:10). That's why God never had anyone rebuild the Jewish temple after it was destroyed in A.D. 70.

Mark 14:58 “We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.’”

Christians look to a perfect temple (Christ), "not made with hands", and have no need for an imperfect temple, made with hands, originally designed to offer insufficient and flawed sacrifices year after year.

Mormons on the other hand, not only revert to pre-Christian Judaism, not only rejecting the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, but do rituals in their "temples" completely UNRELATED to what was dong in Jewish temples.

Heb. 10:11 And every priest stands day after day serving and offering the same sacrifices again and again—sacrifices that can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, he sat down at the right hand of God,
Best post I've read on these forms.
 

Redeemed

Well-known member
Christianity’s central focus is the cross; Mormonism’s central focus is the temple. Mormonism teaches a person must do all the right things in order to earn a temple recommend in order to receive the saving ordinances of the temple. Grace counts for nothing in Mormonism is all about works.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Christianity’s central focus is the cross; Mormonism’s central focus is the temple. Mormonism teaches a person must do all the right things in order to earn a temple recommend in order to receive the saving ordinances of the temple. Grace counts for nothing in Mormonism is all about works.
This is most certainly true!
 

Magdalena

Active member
I’ve seen mormons here state that people received endowments in the Jewish temple. But that isn't true.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
I’ve seen mormons here state that people received endowments in the Jewish temple. But that isn't true.
That is just plain...silly! The LoM spells out what the priests should do in the temple and Mormon endowment isn't one of them! Talk about desperation!
 

Redeemed

Well-known member
The false religion of Mormonism is founded on lies and deception. That's what cults do best. A good lie always has a bit of truth mixed into it. Just like Satan's lie to Adam and Eve. That's all we are really dealing with here is another deception from the father of lies.

Mormon temples to me seem like "corporate headquarters" as a base to perpetuate their lies and control their followers lives and pocketbooks. I think that's was Smith had in mind from the very beginning was to get his hands in people's wallets and use them as useful idiots. That calls for an elaborate deception which is what we have in Mormonism.

The similarity I see in the leadership of Mormonism and the Jewish leaders of Christs day is that they were both putting on a show of their piety. They want to look good in front of man and be in charge. Tell people what to do how to do it and when it. All the while lording over them.

I love what Jesus had to say about it.

And Jesus entered the temple of God and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. 13 He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you make it a den of robbers.” Matthew 21:13

There is a reverence due to every place where God’s people meet to worship Him and celebrate His ordinances. Above all let us see that we do not in our own hearts carry the market and the exchange with us into the house of God like it's done in Mormonism.

Theo's OP said it all. Jesus is our Temple not made with hands.

He shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory.”Zechariah 6:13


Christ himself is the builder of his spiritual temple, and he has built it on the mountains of his unchangeable affection, his omnipotent grace, and his infallible truthfulness.

As Christians we are so blessed that we are able to keep her eyes on Jesus. Sadly that's not possible in Mormonism.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
The false religion of Mormonism is founded on lies and deception. That's what cults do best. A good lie always has a bit of truth mixed into it. Just like Satan's lie to Adam and Eve. That's all we are really dealing with here is another deception from the father of lies.

Mormon temples to me seem like "corporate headquarters" as a base to perpetuate their lies and control their followers lives and pocketbooks. I think that's was Smith had in mind from the very beginning was to get his hands in people's wallets and use them as useful idiots. That calls for an elaborate deception which is what we have in Mormonism.

The similarity I see in the leadership of Mormonism and the Jewish leaders of Christs day is that they were both putting on a show of their piety. They want to look good in front of man and be in charge. Tell people what to do how to do it and when it. All the while lording over them.

I love what Jesus had to say about it.

And Jesus entered the temple of God and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. 13 He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you make it a den of robbers.” Matthew 21:13

There is a reverence due to every place where God’s people meet to worship Him and celebrate His ordinances. Above all let us see that we do not in our own hearts carry the market and the exchange with us into the house of God like it's done in Mormonism.

Theo's OP said it all. Jesus is our Temple not made with hands.

He shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory.”Zechariah 6:13


Christ himself is the builder of his spiritual temple, and he has built it on the mountains of his unchangeable affection, his omnipotent grace, and his infallible truthfulness.

As Christians we are so blessed that we are able to keep her eyes on Jesus. Sadly that's not possible in Mormonism.
Great post, Redeemed! Pity those in Mormonism--they have a false god, a false savior (Satan's actual brother) and a false gospel, that saves no one. And they must do man-made ordinances, dead works done in whitewashed tombs in the name of their false god and false savior, to merit full salvation. Sad.
 
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Redeemed

Well-known member
Great post, Redeemed! Pity those in Mormonism--they have a false god, a false savior (Satan's actually brother) and a false gospel, that saves no one. And they must do man-made ordinances, dead works done in whitewashed tombs in the name of their false god and false savior. Sad.
Whitewashed Tombs, Perfect analogy Bonnie. You're on a roll today!
 

Redeemed

Well-known member
Thanks. But I have been calling Mormon temples that on here for YEARS. :)
You're welcome. But today is the first day that you have been calling the Mormon temples on that this year. And I'm predicting another great year for you. Calling them Out as you see them! You go girl!:D
 

Bonnie

Super Member
You're welcome. But today is the first day that you have been calling the Mormon temples on that this year. And I'm predicting another great year for you. Calling them Out as you see them! You go girl!:D
Hah! I see...but you are new to this forum, and have not seen all the times I have called Mormon temples that, in the 8+ years I have been on this forum. :) But that is truly what they are...imagine, having to learn certain handshakes before God will let one into the CK to be exalted after death...a ritual lifted straight from Freemasonry, and occult to the core. Do you remember those from the endowment video I linked you to? Their God doesn't know who are his without those handshakes...:rolleyes:...does he?
 
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Redeemed

Well-known member
Hah! I see...but you are new to this forum, and have not seen all the time I have called Mormon temples that, in the 8+ years I have been on this forum. :) But that is truly what they are...imagine, having to learn certain handshakes before God will let one into the CK to be exalted after death...a ritual lifted straight from Freemasonry, and occult to the core. Do you remember those from the endowment video I linked you to? Their God doesn't know who are His without those handshakes...:rolleyes:...does he?
I do remember that creepy video and the other day I was looking at a ex Mormon website and they were all talking about how that really turned them off the whole procedure. And that experience planted the seeds for a lot of them leaving Mormonism. I do believe Mormons are their own worst enemy. We may sound like we are against them but we are not. We are only against the false ideology they so firmly are entrenched in. My wife likes to say "hate the sin but love the sinner".

You're right we don't need a secret handshake as God knew who we were before he laid the foundation of the world. It's in the Bible!
 

Bonnie

Super Member
I do remember that creepy video and the other day I was looking at a ex Mormon website and they were all talking about how that really turned them off the whole procedure. And that experience planted the seeds for a lot of them leaving Mormonism. I do believe Mormons are their own worst enemy. We may sound like we are against them but we are not. We are only against the false ideology they so firmly are entrenched in. My wife likes to say "hate the sin but love the sinner".

You're right we don't need a secret handshake as God knew who we were before he laid the foundation of the world. It's in the Bible!
Which proves how puny and limited the Mormon God really is--if he were TRULY God, he would know who were really his or not, and not need to rely on stupid "secret" handshakes and "tokens" to know who belonged in heaven with him!

I have read some of those things by former Mormons about the endowment...what a letdown it was for them. It had been built up so much for them, how holy and spiritual it was, when it was nothing but a bunch of dumb, warmed-over Masonic rituals, plus, a video showing a butchered and perverted version of the Creation and Fall into sin stories from Genesis. One couple I read about in a book said it all seemed so pointless, and what kind of Mickey Mouse stuff was all that?
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
One Mormon seems almost as obsessed with "temples" as he is with "faith alone", but this thread seems like Kryptonite to him.

I can't imagine why.... ;)
 
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