The OP is in regards to repentance and deliverance from homosexual legal union; not a word of repentance and deliverance in the OP, nor in the link you provided.
how often in those you do listen to / hear about?
yes, a high percentage. What is your definition of repentance?I don't know. I don't listen to everything the pope says or read everything he writes. Is there a particular percentage that would be adequate?
Okay, so if we took all the words of Jesus in the NT, would we expect a high percentage of what he says to be about repentance? 80% or something like that?yes, a high percentage. What is your definition of repentance?
I saw no mention of the gospel, tho he did use the words 'the gospel'.
It was a jumbled mess of words to me. but then, he was addressing catholics and it is what they're used to hearing.
he did bring up Mary -
" May Mary Most Holy help us to be docile to the action of the Holy Spirit."
he evidently believes people change their own hearts and lives -
"Jesus, on the contrary, invites us to change our heart, to make a radical about-face on the path of our lives,"
And if they are correct-- and I believe they are-- then the pope is confusing many folks and not taking the 1 Thessalonians scripture scripture to heart about avoiding the appearance of evil. Maybe he never read it-- or forgot it. Here it is:And if they are correct in their interpretation, then it is just the pope's private opinion. However, I'd like to see some clarity from the Vatican so hopefully some will be forthcoming. My reason for thinking he is not saying "civil unions" is (a) he doesn't use the specific term (whereas if he meant it, why not just say that?) and (b) it doesn't fit the rest of the context very well.
Clear articulation of theology is not his strong point. Of course, it doesn't help that it's a derivative clip. It's kind of like if I said in an interview:And if they are correct-- and I believe they are-- then the pope is confusing many folks and not taking the 1 Thessalonians scripture scripture to heart about avoiding the appearance of evil. Maybe he never read it-- or forgot it. Here it is:
Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.
(1 Thessalonians 5:16-23 NKJV)
Not one word from scripture, Jesus, or his apostles about homosexual civil union....
"Divorce is not an ideal that God wants; He clearly made men and women in marriage to be united for life. Now, there can be cases of abuse in marriage and, for this reason, it may be necessary to separate....
How is that relevant to the point being made? Your point was outrage that Pope Francis didn't quote the Bible or talk about repentance in two or three sentences extracted from a larger interview.At the judgment, will we be judged by what God declared in his inspired word, or will we be judged by Christians' uninspired word?
sure they can. In this case we are talking about the one you claim to be one of your popes - leader of 'the whole 'Church'' speaking about sin.You do realise that Christians can speak publicly without constantly quoting scripture and mentioning Jesus?
But he's not speaking about sin. In the two-three sentences we've seen, he's speaking about not treating people with same-sex attraction as if they're monsters and alienating them.sure they can. In this case we are talking about the one you claim to be one of your popes - leader of 'the whole 'Church'' speaking about sin.
Maybe to a particular brand of Christianity that is fundamentalist and unable to apply complexity to religion and the world.your post supports what I believe, that there's very little in or about catholicism that has anything to do with Christianity.
Not at all. I've even linked some of Francis's sermons where he speaks about sin and the need for repentance. And yet everyone is up in arms because he utters a few sentences and doesn't mention it.it sounds like you have a problem with a believer speaking out publicly about scripture and Jesus. Maybe it's your popes who should stop speaking publicly on these topics, since they don't know His truth about them.