Libertarian Free Will, question

Theo1689

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And logic does not equal truth.

This is very true, and sadly, most (all?) cults are created on the basis that sinful man believes that their sin-based "logic" is more reliable and dependable than God's word.

How can God be 3 yet 1 ?

How can Jesus be both man and God at the same time ?

How could Creation be ex nihilo ?

You have to remember your audience.
The poster you're responding to is a Mormon, and so he denies the Trinity, and believes tha the godhead is three gods, not just one.

He doesn't believe that "man" and "god" are different species, but the same species, God being an "exalted man". The best analogy I've come up with is man is the "caterpillar" form, God is the "butterfly" form.

Mormons reject ex nihilo, and believe the universe has always existed.

But in their own way, Mormonism is a great example of cults which exalt their own "logic" (in the claim of false "prophesies" from God) over God's word.
 

zerinus

Well-known member
And logic does not equal truth.

How can God be 3 yet 1 ?
The “three in one and one in three” paradox is a relatively recent development in Christian theology. It was not an issue in the first three or four centuries of Christianity. Origen for example, who was the greatest of the early Christian theologians, taught that the three members of the Godhead were three separate and distinct beings, with the Son and the Spirit being subordinate to the Father. He taught that their “unity” consisted of a unity mind, purpose, and will, rather than a numerical unity of substance. The “three in one and one in three” paradox developed later.
How can Jesus be both man and God at the same time ?
There is an answer to that as well. Jesus, like all of us, was made up of a body and spirit. His spirit was divine, and preexisted before he was born in the flesh. His natural body, his “flesh,” which started out as a baby and grew to manhood like the rest of us, was not initially divine. It was subject to all the weakness and limitations that the rest of humanity are subject to. He got hungy, had to eat, drink, got tired, had to sleep etc. He was also subject to temptation like the rest of us, which we know God is not. He was able to die like the rest of us, which God cannot. That is how he was both God and man at the same time. After his resurrection, however, his glorified and resurrected body was also deified, and acquired all the attributes of divinity that his spirit always had, and now exists as a glorified and resurrected divine being for the rest of eternity to come. Nothing mysterious or “illogical” about the either.
How could Creation be ex nihilo ?

There are many others I could provide but this should suffice.

BTW- every true miracle defies logic and reason just look at Jesus first miracle.
A mystery is a mystery only as long as you don't know or understand how it works. As soon as the truth of the matter is discovered or revealed, it stops being a mystery. Once upon a time people thought that the earth was flat, and how it seems to go on forever and ever without coming to an end was considered a mystery. When they discovered that it was round and not flat, it was no longer a mystery. There is nothing “illogical” about a miracle. It may seem so to us because we don't know how it works.
 
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