Life from non life?

[BMS]

the skin of a human is not a man, therefore it is not a human.

so you are saying the kin of a man is not human skin?

Do you actually agree that the skin is not a human?

Yes, never said it was

Wrong...there is a male man and a female man..

nope.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Yes adam. Also see Gen 2. God created woman and presented woman to man and man said flesh from my flesh etc. to be united and reproduce

which is referring to man (male and female) is referring to man as in adam, you see in Genesis 2 the man and the woman is the image of God, and to be united and reproduce, so obviously the two biological sexes

 

[Newbirth]

No, rossum said it, and rossum was right in saying "Not strictly.

But I did not say "strictly",did I? You seem to have an understanding problem.

This thread is is the Secular section, hence there are some of us non-Christians here.

I never said otherwise. But you have it backward. If it were really secular, it wouldn't be on a Christian apologetics website. "Secular" means not connected with religious or spiritual matters.

For strictly Bible discussions you need to be somewhere in the specifically Christian sections.

I never said strictly, Go read what I wrote. Then go look at the home page of the website. Know where you are. This is a room in a house called CARM. If you were really secular, you wouldn't be here. Find out what CARM stands for.

 

[Newbirth]

so you are saying the kin of a man is not human skin?

It is the skin of a human. Go look up what a human is; the word is a noun it means human being. If you use it as an adjective, it describes a noun.

Yes, never said it was

That is what I said and you said you agree

nope.

Prove me wrong...Woman is the female of the species man. God made a male man first and a female man after The male man called the female man woman.

Yes adam. Also see Gen 2. God created woman and presented woman to man and man said flesh from my flesh etc. to be united and reproduce

Woman is the female of the species man.

 

[BMS]

It is the skin of a human. Go look up what a human is; the word is a noun it means human being. If you use it as an adjective, it describes a noun.

That is what I said and you said you agree

Prove me wrong...Woman is the female of the species man. God made a male man first and a female man after The male man called the female man woman.

Woman is the female of the species man.

Ok. I think I see what you are saying.. yes

 

[Our Lord's God]

New member, hi to everyone. Many people believe life begins at conception. I was asked the other day how can life begins at conception when life cannot come from non-life? The sperm must be alive before conception. If that is so, then the Catholic church is right when it tells its members to abstain from sex except for procreation. Recreational sex should not be done because it kills pre-human life forms in the man's sperm. Masturbation is definitely forbidden because it kills millions of living sperm, potential human lives. How can I reason with that kind of logic?

Funny but they don't seem to have a problem with circumcision. Is a foreskin a heap of dead cells? Or living cells?

 

[Temujin]

Funny but they don't seem to have a problem with circumcision. Is a foreskin a heap of dead cells? Or living cells?

Sorry, but what relevance is this to the post you are quoting? And who is it that doesn't have a problem with genital mutilation?

 

[Newbirth]

New member, hi to everyone.

Hi to you

Many people believe life begins at conception.

That would depend on the context.

I was asked the other day how can life begins at conception when life cannot come from non-life?

What is the non life that life comes from at conception?

The sperm must be alive before conception.

so is the egg, you cannot have a baby without both, does that make the egg half alive and the sperm half alive?

If that is so, then the Catholic church is right when it tells its members to abstain from sex except for procreation.

Yet priests in the Catholic church were accused of having sex for pleasure with the same sex. But back to the abstaining, does that mean a woman who has menopause should not have sex? It would also mean if a man is infertile he must not have sex with his wife.

Recreational sex should not be done because it kills pre-human life forms in the man's sperm.

So does a "wet dream"... in fact not every time a man and a woman have sex a baby is produced....So lots of dead sperms ...and every time a woman has a period that is a dead egg... Please explain your plan on how those could be avoided.

Masturbation is definitely forbidden because it kills millions of living sperm, potential human lives.

The same amount dies when no baby is produced after having sex.

How can I reason with that kind of logic?

I just did...

 

[Newbirth]

Sorry, but what relevance is this to the post you are quoting? And who is it that doesn't have a problem with genital mutilation?

the point here is death...dead sperms ...dead cells...

 

[Newbirth]

Not for me.

of course it is for you

I as a human being have human skin for example.

As a man you have skin. Can you distinguish between the skin and the man?

There is a distinction.

man is not a skin.

I cant be any clearer than that

It is clear that man is not a skin

Can you distinguish between the ford and the paint>

A ford van/car is not paint.

 

[Newbirth]

A single sperm lacks 50% of human DNA. Similarly each egg lacks 50% of human DNA.

that is why they both combine to make a human

Be careful how you reply here; each chimpanzee lacks less than 5% of human DNA.

You are comparing the sperm of a human with a chimpanzee and an egg of a human with a chimpanzee...that is not very smart...

Our DNA has a greater than 95% overlap with chimp DNA.

1% is enough to make a difference.

I am sure you will not agree that chimps are human beings.

So why did you compare human sperms and eggs to a chimpanzee in the first place? compare sperms to sperms and eggs to eggs...Just as you are comparing chimpanzees to humans.

Sperm and egg cells are even less human than chimps in terms of DNA.

sperms and eggs are just that, sperms and eggs. Why would you compare sperms and eggs to chimps? A chimp sperms also lacks 50% of chimp DNA

 

[Newbirth]

No, they are human parts.


Thank you for agreeing that sperm and eggs are not human beings.


False. Absurdly false. You need to learn the difference between meisosis and mitosis. Sperm and egg cells are formed by meiosis, which results in each sperm or egg having only half the DNA of the parent, 23 chromosomes instead of 46. When the two combine the new zygote has the full 46 chromosomes, 23 from each parent.

you are both funny...One is saying that a sperm is a human the other is saying a sperm is a human part... A human is formed when a sperm and an egg combines...therefore a sperm cannot be a human. Ther is no part of the human anatomy called a sperm therefore a sperm is not a human part.

 

[BMS]

Sorry, but what relevance is this to the post you are quoting? And who is it that doesn't have a problem with genital mutilation?

You.

 

[BMS]

of course it is for you

As a man you have skin. Can you distinguish between the skin and the man?

man is not a skin.

It is clear that man is not a skin

A ford van/car is not paint.

I agree 100%. Have you misunderstood?