Love in the TULIP

A good discussion about Eschatology regarding how it might affect our Soteriology, would be a good discussion if we could behave. Carbon tried a Thread like that...
 
Johnnybgood said:
Here this is written by one of the most well known Calvinists ministries grace to you under John MacArthurs ministry Phil Johnson . Most here are hypers .Chalcedon has a thread on this and this is from that OP.https://forums.carm.org/threads/hyper-calvinism-defined.10237/


Phil Johnson, who has done extensive research on this subject very helpfully defines hyper-Calvinists using a five-fold definition. A hyper-Calvinist is one who:

  1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR
  2. Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR
  3. Denies that the gospel makes any “offer” of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR
  4. Denies that there is such a thing as “common grace,” OR
  5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.
As Phil says, “All five varieties of hyper-Calvinism undermine evangelism or twist the gospel message.” So this is the key to understanding hyper-Calvinism: it undermines evangelism and/or somehow distorts the gospel message. Hyper-Calvinists emphasize God’s sovereignty but de-emphasize God’s love. They tend to set God’s sovereignty at odds with the clear biblical call to human responsibility.

Hyper-Calvinism: A Brief Definition | Tim Challies
The term hyper-Calvinist is often used as a pejorative. Almost any Calvinist who adheres to the doctrines of grace is likely to be considered a hyper-Calvinist by at least someone. Frankly speaking, a hyper-Calvinist can be any Calvinist to a person who doesn't understand Calvinism. So today...
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hope this helps !!!
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I agree...

The last paragraph shows how the term Hyper can be abused; thanks for including it...
 
Johnnybgood said:
A hyper-Calvinist is one who:
  1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR
  2. Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR
  3. Denies that the gospel makes any “offer” of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR
  4. Denies that there is such a thing as “common grace,” OR
  5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.
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I find certain Bad Boys of the Bible interesting
thinking about Esau and Cain -

1. both would have/should have been taught the acting Melchizedek -
Cain by Adam, Esau by Shem (he refused to go, as Isaac and Abraham had gone before, to learn the ways of God)
2. some of their sins would have at least partly been rooted in Unbelief, as was Eve and Adam's at the Fall
3. people were saved then by faith in the Savior promised to Adam (Adamic covenant)
4. they were alive and breathing, that's gracious on God's part
5. God gave Cain some rest towards the end of his life, Esau and Jacob had a teary reconciliation after years of animosity

don't know if either ended up as Saved person, but certainly think that is not beyond God's ability to do
I see no reason to think God doesn't hate and love (Us) at the same time

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