Luke 2:52 and Hebrews 5:7

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Luke 2:52
And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

Chariti above points to unmerited grace being extended.

Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Prosenekas above points to the petitions of someone needing saving.

Aren't these verses problematic for Christians? Please stick to the verses.
 
Luke 2:52
And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
Jesus was probably about 10 years old at the time. So yes Jesus grew in wisdom and statue, and in the favor of God and man. What is your issue with this verse?
 
You don't know.


Growing in all of these areas shows he isn't God. Growing in grace shows he wasn't innocent.
Jesus didn,t claim to be God the Father did He? During his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God, and ... none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God.
 
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Nor God period. But the question is why grow in grace with God if he is perfect, Luke 2:52, and why did he require salvation, Heb 5:7?
Once made perfect,Jesus became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him and called by God(Kohen Gadol) according to the order of Melchizadek.
 
During his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God, and ... none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God.
You're contradicting yourself. If he didn't consider himself God, why would his disciples consider him God?
 
Once made perfect,Jesus became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him and called by God(Kohen Gadol) according to the order of Melchizadek.
You haven't addressed the questions. Being made perfect shows imperfections.
 
You're contradicting yourself. If he didn't consider himself God, why would his disciples consider him God?
They believed Jesus Christ was the Son of God. The Apostles Identified Jesus as Divine.
Matthew 14:33
33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Worship is to be to God only.
 
The Apostles Identified Jesus as Divine.
Matthew 14:33
33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Worship is to be to God only.
Reverence, respecting, isn't worship. Again, since Jesus didn't declare himself God, none of your posts matter. And even if he did, that would be unsubstantiated by Tanakh.

Son of God isn't God. Unless you want to include Israel in the mix?
 
That isn't God. Israel, angels, Solomon, etc., were called sons of God too.

So, can you address the questions?
the title Son of Man actually refers to Christ's Godly nature, alluding to the One mentioned in Daniel 7, while the title Son of God refers to his humanity, as seen in the Old Testament.
 
Reverence, respecting, isn't worship. Again, since Jesus didn't declare himself God, none of your posts matter. And even if he did, that would be unsubstantiated by Tanakh.
Explain what worship looks like if its not prostrating,reverence bowing down,before the Lord. The Hebrew (hištaḥăwâ) and Greek (proskuneō) terms most often translated as “worship” convey the idea “to bow the knee” or “to prostrate oneself.”2
 
the title Son of Man actually refers to Christ's Godly nature, alluding to the One mentioned in Daniel 7, while the title Son of God refers to his humanity, as seen in the Old Testament.
Son of man isn't divine in Daniel 7. Ezekiel is called son of man as well.
 
Explain what worship looks like if its not prostrating,reverence bowing down,before the Lord.
Well, everything you've included is what Jesus did to God, as well as praying to Him, asking for salvation, etc., worshipping Him as God. We don't worship the middleman.

Israel bowed to their kings too without a hint of thinking their King, lord, was divine.

You still haven't answered the original questions.
 
Well, everything you've included is what Jesus did to God, as well as praying to Him, asking for salvation, etc., worshipping Him as God. We don't worship the middleman.
Did Jesus need to be saved? From what? He was sinless. Yes tempted but sinless. (For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in His steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in His mouth. 1 Peter 2:21,) 22Your understand of the Scriptures are flawed. That why you must be Born Again to understand the things of the Spirit.
 
Did Jesus need to be saved? From what? He was sinless. Yes tempted but sinless. (For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in His steps.
Hebrews 5:7 prosenekas. Explain that to me.

He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in His mouth. 1 Peter 2:21,) 22Your understand of the Scriptures are flawed. That why you must be Born Again to understand the things of the Spirit.
Sorry, but your story doesn't add up.
 
Well, everything you've included is what Jesus did to God, as well as praying to Him, asking for salvation, etc., worshipping Him as God. We don't worship the middleman.

Israel bowed to their kings too without a hint of thinking their King, lord, was divine.

You still haven't answered the original questions.
So what does worship look like to you?
 
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