I have used scriptures with you, over and over again, haven't I? We ALL have--but you pretend we have not, then reask the same questions over and over again, acting as if we have never answered you, or dealt with your Bible verses, or points--that is your modus operandi--isn't it? There are others on here who have witnessed the same thing...aren't there?
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Post no. 6 is one such witness. Another is post no. 150 here:
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That's just more claims that the questions have already been answered, which seems to be the typical answer when one finds themselves boxed in a corner.
Well--I answered those answers. Time to move on.
The points aren't settled with one answer. In fact--most of those answers just spawned more questions, IE--
"God counts righteousness apart from the works of the Law--but neither Paul nor God counts righteousness apart from fruits:
Romans 6:22---King James Version
22 But now being made free from sin,
and become servants
to God, ye have your fruit
unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Matthew 7:19-21----King James Version
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
So--how do you harmonize your claim--with the testimony of the above scriptures?
God did justify the ungodly, as He died for the sins of the whole world, and justified all men of life--as a free gift:
Romans 5:18---King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Paul wasn't claiming all men obtain life---only that all men--including the ungodly--are justified unto life, IE--have the opportunity to inherit eternal life--because God absolved all men of the condemnation of the Fall--through His Atonement and resurrection (death and hell--as an automatic consequence of the Fall)--as a free gift to all men.
To actually inherit eternal life---as a personal reception--one has to meet the conditions of the Redeemer:
1 John 1:7---King James Version
7 But if
we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
There is a difference between one being brought to the gates of life--and one entering in. Eternal life--as an opportunity--was purchased for all men (ungodly included) through the Blood and resurrection of Christ--free gift. Christ alone. Christ plus nothing of yours or mine. Free. Absolutely free. One is brought to the gates there, ungodly and else. All redeemed from the Fall--and now answers for their own choices, and not Adam's.
Lutherans have a confused theology, which cannot be comported to the Biblical testimony."