God does no evil , and causes no evil…
the satanic realm with its good and evil tree does that.
not God.
Did God decree the crucifixion? If so, then those who crucified Jesus did what God decreed would happen. Yet, they ....
They freely did it because that was their own desire and not one determined for themDid God decree the crucifixion? If so, then those who crucified Jesus did what God decreed would happen. Yet, they freely did it.
I admit that by the will of God all the sons of Adam fell into that state of wretchedness in which they are now involved; and this is just what I said at the first, that we must always return to the mere pleasure of the divine will, the cause of which is hidden in himself
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997).
. If God merely foresaw human events, and did not also arrange and dispose of them at his pleasure, there might be room for agitating the question, how far his foreknowledge amounts to necessity; but since he foresees the things which are to happen, simply because he has decreed that they are so to happen, it is vain to debate about prescience, while it is clear that all events take place by his sovereign appointment
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997).
They deny that it is ever said in distinct terms, God decreed that Adam should perish by his revolt,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Nor ought it to seem absurd when I say, that God not only foresaw the fall of the first man, and in him the ruin of his posterity; but also at his own pleasure arranged it
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997).
how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them…Who does not tremble at these judgments with which God works in the hearts of even the wicked whatever He will, rewarding them nonetheless according to desert?
John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,
So, is God's will knowable to believers or not?
If evil comes from not following God, then evil couldn't have come from God.
If he reveals it
Tell that to Calvinists
in which case they were commanded to sin and obeyed their god.. but it was not God.
The mormons believe the same. That adam and eve obeyed ‘god’ and the fall was his scheme. that adam was as christ when he ‘obeyed god’ by falling.
God does no evil , and causes no evil…
the satanic realm with its good and evil tree does that.
not God.
I agree. So, how then is it revealed to believers?
okSome who call themselves believers don't know how God is God, this too stems from unbelief.
divisions…divisions. in Christ there - is Wholeness
falling from wholeness causes divisions
divisions of mind, heart, body... diseases
James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
every good gift is at the best - of Wholeness -
but maybe levels thereof
no variableness, no shadows -- of unknowing or Incompleteness - whole. without divisions
John 12:25 - He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
will lose all the division(s) - in one's self (through Christ - wholeness - completeness) -
keeps all commands/laws - due to
Wholeness of mind, body, spirit - no divisions any more
if/when (a process - not instant or even of wholeness
and completeness instant possible) living for Christ.
Amplified Bible
But I urge you, believers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in full agreement in what you say, and that there be no divisions or factions among you, but that you be perfectly united in your way of thinking and in your judgment [about matters of the faith].
no longer only - sees in PART -
divisions of mind(s) - begins to see much more in whole -
everything illuminated for such - for God is Light and there is no darkness -
in such a person - anymore - if/when/as/the more - wholeness - and completeness -
is brought about (with the Spirit's help) - in one's self.
it’s a bit like animal control.It's just a question. I want to check it out before I join. I have no clue how he can Crowd-Control without suspending anyone...
The Word Brings SalvationI agree. So, how then is it revealed to believers?
Some who call themselves believers don't know how God is God, this too stems from unbelief.
yes, without excuse..men are without excuse.
(Romans 1:20 NIV)
It's just a question. I want to check it out before I join. I have no clue how he can Crowd-Control without suspending anyone...
Dizerner said:
Sounds bloodthirsty for banning someone unjustly.
God will hold you to account for all these unjust reports, and every other abuser on this forum, unless you repent.
No wonder I've been banned unjustly on here every other week for things Calvinist are constantly doing themselves.
you have been banned that often?
Civic, Chalcedon it seems is getting a vacation almost every other dayYes.
I was once banned 2 months for saying civic was not acting in love.
Ironically, civic is getting banned with me now, lol.
some try to say that unless man sinneddivisions…
we got separated from our original glorified body
after the fall, because of adam.
we got separated from God
who walked and talked with man
and ended up on this corrupt earth,
separated from the paradise He created for us
and declared Good.
that is all still true.