Making the Case for Belief

Nouveau

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The resurrection IS happening, just not as literally written in the Gospels. The actual resurrection begins with us in the cosmos. What was dead is now alive—in us. Proven resurrection,—right under your nose! But who listens?
Can you define what you mean by "the resurrection"? You're not using it in the normal sense.
 

bigthinker

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It is because you you are looking for evidence for something that never happened.
quite likely.

I have said this so many times but nobody listens.
I can understand the frustration but I don't think I'm aware. Please elaborate.
The Gospel stories are mythical and they refer to cosmic events. Why do you think the cosmos factors into my theology?
so it appears you have a different take with which I'm unfamiliar. Go ahead, I'm interested and listening.
There lies the meaning of the myths. The resurrection begins with our common souls in the universe, the extraordinary evidence everyone despises because it is common. The universe was dead before it produced our souls. This is actually extraordinary! And it totally flies over your head. You are still waiting for a mountain to thunder and smoke or God’s handwriting on the sky when maybe we are his handwriting in creation.
First, can you please explain why you believe what you believe? Why do you believe it and for what reason do you think it is an accurate and correct interpretation of scripture etc.
thank- you
 

Whatsisface

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Every last one of us were in your shoes .
We were on the road to the Devil's Hell.

We lied and lied about our sins. We had no hope.
One of your plethora of blunders is pretending we don't understand.

What are your plans for your sins?



We came from blindness you still dwell in.
Wow. Heavy stuff. You need to relax, get some R and R.

Please watch this amusing animal video, you might even smile.

 

Whatsisface

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(Facepalm) The extraordinary evidence is us in the vast universe!
You need to go a step further. The extraordinary evidence, or strong evidence, would be that which shows us and the universe were created.

Yes, from our perspective being here in this universe seems extraordinary, but if we understood all the mechanisms that led to said state of affairs, it would seem less so. You seem to be making an argument from personal incredulity rather than from what we actually know.
 

bigthinker

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A "reasonable response"
one without insult.
and one that explains your position without pointing the finger at anyone else.
One that consists of more than unsupported assertions.
And one that doesn't include meaningless, unsupported boasts or claims.
A reasonable response is thoughtful rather than thoughtless, attempts to make a case rather than make unsupported assertions, attempts to communicate an idea rather than merely vomit words.
Under what basis do you insist people you don't know, don't understand?

You don't have the tools to measure what people know.

You don't understand the spiritual gift of discernment either.

We all know very well Jesus' disciples came from a set of scalawags. The scalawags they hung out with hustled to toss them in jail.
 

5wize

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(Facepalm) The extraordinary evidence is us in the vast universe!
What makes it "Extra" ordinary and not ordinary? We've lived with the vastness of the cosmos and our own selves since philosophers took to pen. It is "ordinary". What is "extra" ordinary is Gnostic babble about how it's all supernaturally glued together in the background.
 

docphin5

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Can you define what you mean by "the resurrection"? You're not using it in the normal sense.
Very very simple. But first, do you know why the Egyptians honored a corpse so much that they tried to preserve them as mummies? To Egyptians the cosmos was the corpse of a divine entity and they expected it would be reborn as something new. A new creation. So they cared for the corpse of their king knowing that the corpse is sacred.

Therefore, if the cosmos was lifeless before it produced life in us, then our souls are the cosmos living again. What is the resurrection but a dead body rising from its grave? The myths of resurrection reflect an underlying truth about us and our reality. So you guys expect evidence for the myth being an historical event (which will never happen) all the while missing the extradorinaiy event occurring all around you,— the actual resurrection of souls within a dead body, the universal corpse comprised of matter. “The Logos became flesh” says scripture.

God sees it (he actually predestined it), the sages saw it, the mystics saw it, the apostles saw it, and the authors of the Gospels saw it before they wrote about it in scriptural fiction, whereas, everyone else thinks it is common for souls to arise from non life in a visible universe 38 billion light years across. When actually, our life is a miracle from a cosmic perspective.
 
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5wize

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Very very simple. But first, do you know why the Egyptians honored a corpse so much that they tried to preserve them as mummies? To Egyptians the cosmos was the corpse of a divine entity and they expected it would be reborn as something new. A new creation. So they cared for the corpse of their king knowing that the corpse is sacred.

Therefore, if the cosmos was lifeless before it produced life in us, then our souls are the cosmos living again. What is the resurrection but a dead body rising from its grave? The myths of resurrection reflect an underlying truth about us and our reality. So you guys expect evidence for the myth being an historical event (which will never happen) all the while missing the extradorinaiy event occurring all around you,— the actual resurrection of souls within a dead body, the universal corpse comprised of matter. “The Logos became flesh” says scripture.

God sees it, the sages saw it, the mystics saw it, the apostles saw it, and the authors of the Gospels saw it before they wrote about it in scriptural fiction, whereas, everyone else thinks it is common for souls to arise from non life in a visible universe 38 billion light years across. When actually, our life is a miracle from a cosmic perspective.
What made the Egyptians think that the cosmos was the corpse of a divine entity?
 
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