Many of bad liberals and some lgbt actions are evil

froggy

Active member
About my church, you indeed are.

That you take a fact as unloving also speaks volumes....don't comment on what you ignorant of, and you are indeed ignorant of everything about my church.
I will pray for you my friend. I think that you might need it.
 

shnarkle

Well-known member
No kidding....but you can't preach the Gospel and tell people of their need to repent if you aren't telling them they need to repent of their sins.
The carnal man can't repent. The gospel gives them that ability. You're putting the cart before the horse. Jesus doesn't point out the sin in the sinner. He heals them instead. When asked, "Who sinned?", Jesus replies that neither, but he was born that way to glorify God. God does not glory in sin so there's no point in bothering with it if you can't heal them in the first place.

In other words, pointing out the sins of others is useless especially when it is the damned who are doing the pointing. And I think we can all agree that the damned are incapable of healing according to God's sovereign will.
 

4Him

Administrator
Staff member
The carnal man can't repent.

No kidding.
The gospel gives them that ability.

No kidding.
You're putting the cart before the horse.

Not even remotely.
Jesus doesn't point out the sin in the sinner.

Go and sin no more....yea, He pretty much does...
He heals them instead. When asked, "Who sinned?", Jesus replies that neither, but he was born that way to glorify God. God does not glory in sin so there's no point in bothering with it if you can't heal them in the first place.

They can't heal if they don't admit they are a sinner in need of a Savior.
 

froggy

Active member
Correct! WE agree on two things!
I am sure that we agree on other things as well. Our approach to evangelism is quite different but I know from experience the method I use has been quite effective. You should be happy that people are being saved.
 

4Him

Administrator
Staff member
I am sure that we agree on other things as well. Our approach to evangelism is quite different but I know from experience the method I use has been quite effective. You should be happy that people are being saved.
As should you, regardless of ones approach.
 

froggy

Active member
The carnal man can't repent. The gospel gives them that ability. You're putting the cart before the horse. Jesus doesn't point out the sin in the sinner. He heals them instead. When asked, "Who sinned?", Jesus replies that neither, but he was born that way to glorify God. God does not glory in sin so there's no point in bothering with it if you can't heal them in the first place.

In other words, pointing out the sins of others is useless especially when it is the damned who are doing the pointing. And I think we can all agree that the damned are incapable of healing according to God's sovereign will.
They knew how Much Jesus cared before they cared about how much Jesus knew.
 

shnarkle

Well-known member
They can't heal if they don't admit they are a sinner in need of a Savior.
And yet we have more than a few examples of Jesus not only healing people but forgiving them their sins without any reference to them asking for forgiveness. See above, and the invalid lowered down through the roof, etc.

Telling someone to stop sinning isn't revealing the sin at all. smh. Jesus not only doesn't scrutinize her sin, but points out that not only are her accusers nowhere to be found, but he also will not condemn here either. He can't condemn her without judging her. He didn't judge her, and we shouldn't either.

When a prostitute weeps at his feet, everyone is scandalized, but Jesus makes no mention of her sin at all. She sees her sin all too well, and this was in no way due to anyone pointing this out to her. She knew it was wrong from the beginning. Spotlighting that fact isn't going to advance the gospel in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Jesus comes along, and he doesn't have to point out her sin because they both know already. He overlooks it completely because he sees something worth redeeming, and lets her know that she's much better than that. That's the gospel in action.
 

froggy

Active member
As should you, regardless of ones approach.
How many people have you led to Christ using your approach? The Lord (through my ministry) built a Church in Upstate Liberal NY and we started with 13 people. in a years time we were running about 130. marriages were healed. Families were stronger, alcohol and drug addictions were eradicated and many lives were changed. That is the gospel I preach. Salvation is more than knowing you are going to Heaven.
 

froggy

Active member
And yet we have more than a few examples of Jesus not only healing people but forgiving them their sins without any reference to them asking for forgiveness. See above, and the invalid lowered down through the roof, etc.

Telling someone to stop sinning isn't revealing the sin at all. smh. Jesus not only doesn't scrutinize her sin, but points out that not only are her accusers nowhere to be found, but he also will not condemn here either. He can't condemn her without judging her. He didn't judge her, and we shouldn't either.

When a prostitute weeps at his feet, everyone is scandalized, but Jesus makes no mention of her sin at all. She sees her sin all too well, and this was in no way due to anyone pointing this out to her. She knew it was wrong from the beginning. Spotlighting that fact isn't going to advance the gospel in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Jesus comes along, and he doesn't have to point out her sin because they both know already. He overlooks it completely because he sees something worth redeeming, and lets her know that she's much better than that. That's the gospel in action.
Amen!
 

froggy

Active member
Glad to see you're up to speed on the usage of words. Did you have a point you were going to make?
The good news is about more than salvation. It is about the renewing of the mind and with that comes a much better life. Hope that helps to clarify
 
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