Theo1689
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Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
According to calvinism, that is not possible. Who should I believe? John Calvin or Jesus, tough one that.
Of course it's possible in Calvinism.
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord WILL be saved.
The rich man said what do I need to do to be saved, Jesus said give away all your money and follow me. Jesus is telling him you have to do something, but calvinism teaches, we have no ability to. So Jesus is just toying with him, not being straight, honest.
I'm sorry that you don't understand Jesus.
The Bible teaches that the purpose of the Law is not to earn salvation, but to convict us of our sin, and learn that we are bankrupt, and have to rely on the mercy of God (Rom. 3:19-20). There are two ways to salvation, either keeping the Law perfectly, or else relying on the mercy of our Saviour. The first option is hypothetically possible, but impossible in practice. The problem the rich man had was that he didn't understand that he couldn't keep the law. So that's what Jesus did, He kept pushing people to the Law until they learned the lesson that they couldn't keep it, and they had to instead place their faith in the One who could.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord don't waste your time, that is impossible and if you did, that would be a sinful prideful thing to do and I will ignore you anyway.
No, it's not impossible or a waste of time.
All of God's elect are eventually regenerated, and given a heart of flesh to replace their heart of stone, and are given the faith to call on the name of the Lord, and so be saved.
What a gospel, who would want to preach that, wouldn't get many takers, maybe that is why it has to be sugar coated
Well, no... When you mock the ways of God, it's going to come off as mockery.
with false promises of being saved and stuff,
No "false promises".
Believers will be saved. That is a TRUE promise.
Nobody claimed that everyone has the "ability" to "choose" to believe.
That's apparently your nonsense.
like open the door and I will come in. Maybe that should read, I will knock on the door you can't open it, because it's nailed from the outside or don't worry you can't open it, I will just smash it in.
If you're quoting Rev. 3, you should be aware that "I stand at the door and knock" is NOT addressed to unbelievers, it's addressed to the CHURCH.
Did the thief on the cross really get saved, maybe when he got there and saw it, Jesus said, you don't have the right clothes on, sorry, down to hell you go. Jesus never lied, did he, he just didn't give him the fall SP and he did see paradise, just for a moment. Well how do we know, lets face it, it's hard to know anything according to calvinism, the bible says do this and you will be saved, but calvinism, says, no you can't, not possible, don't even think of trying it.
You really don't want to be corrected, do you?
You simply want to rant.
Well, fortunately for you, you don't have to embrace Calvinism to be saved.
How about this one and I really love this, when Jesus says:
Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
And all the Calvinists said, "Amen!"
What's the problem?
If I believed in calvinism, I would have a great problem believing most of this scripture, I have to say.
That's nice...
If I DIDN'T believe in Calvinism, I would have to REJECT most of the Bible.
John 3,
John 6,
John 8,
John 10,
Acts 13,
Rom. 8,
Rom. 9,
Eph. 1,
Eph. 2,
Col. 2,
Rev. 5,
etc.
etc.
etc.
Thankfully I don't, you calvinists should be given a medal or something for your level of faith in John Calvins doctrine.
Actually, most Calvinists have never read John Calvin.
We got our theology from studying the BIBLE.
Someone asks me what do I need to do to be saved, I would say Jesus said do this, but calvinism which tells us what the true gospel says, says you can't do nothing, everyone is predestined,
You don't believe in predestination?
I'm sorry that you reject Rom. 8, Eph. 1, Acts 4, etc. etc.
some to hell, some to heaven. If you are predestined to heaven, God will save you anyway, so sit tight, he will get round to you. Should I sin, well apparently according to calvinism, you can't lose your salvation.
When God regenerates someone, He replaces our hearts of stone with a heart of flesh, so that we don't WANT to sin. So it's not like we go out on "sinning sprees", being confident that we can sin away and still be saved.
If you are predestined to be destroyed in hell, well, I guess hmm, well, I can't help you, try Islam, actually they have predestination too, hmm, mormonism, get your own planet and become a god, sounds like a lot work, running your own planet, I have enough hassle running my own life, let alone a planet full of people. Then they ask but I thought the God of the bible was the God of hope, he is, but just not for those he made for destruction.
Do you think anyone DESERVES salvation?
Trust in the Lord, they might ask, hmm, that's pride to think you can do that, pride is a sin, no can't do that. What can I do to be saved, nothing, absolutely nothing.
You're being ridiculous.
You know that, right?
I guess if calvinists are happy to believe in this, go for it. I can swallow quite a lot, but I stop at camels, that is where I draw the line, if I had to swallow calvinism, I fancy I would have the hump for a very long time,
It's not about being "happy".
It's about believing SCRIPTURE.
But yes, I'm satisfied in that a true understanding of the gospel gives ALL glory to God.
(no pun intended, that's a lie, it was).
So you think you can continue to lie, and still be saved?
Don't have to give up your sins, is that it?
Every sin you commit, goes on the back of the Saviour.
Do you really hate Him that much, that you want to give Him more suffering?