Mistake In Translation - Galatians 5:17

CharismaticLady

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Galatians 5:16-18
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Alert: Translators have capitalized the "S" in spirit, when it is talking about our mind, as in Romans 7:25, not the Holy Spirit. Those who are born again are not "in" the flesh, but in the Holy Spirit. It is one or the other, but not BOTH! This error has caused whole denominations to see themselves as sinners, and not free children of God.

See Romans 7:25

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

The mind struggles against the flesh, and the flesh against the mind. That error has caused whole denominations to believe we can never be free from sin.

15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

In reading Romans 7:13 we see that the law is holy, but the Old Covenant required the letter of the law to be kept in opposition to the indwelling sin nature. That is why the struggle is described in Romans 7:14-23, it is the mind/spirit against the flesh. The law was given to us because of transgressions to guard us and to show us our sin UNTIL Jesus came to take away our sin nature that produced sin and required the Law. The Laws of God's love are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit, thus giving us life. We no longer have to keep laws we are in opposition to, requiring us to struggle. No, our new nature naturally wants to keep the laws of the Spirit of life in Christ, and we are no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit which has freed us from the law of sin and death.
 

Bob Carabbio

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Galatians 5:16-18
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Alert: Translators have capitalized the "S" in spirit, when it is talking about our mind, as in Romans 7:25, not the Holy Spirit. Those who are born again are not "in" the flesh, but in the Holy Spirit. It is one or the other, but not BOTH! This error has caused whole denominations to see themselves as sinners, and not free children of God.

See Romans 7:25

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

The mind struggles against the flesh, and the flesh against the mind. That error has caused whole denominations to believe we can never be free from sin.

15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

In reading Romans 7:13 we see that the law is holy, but the Old Covenant required the letter of the law to be kept in opposition to the indwelling sin nature. That is why the struggle is described in Romans 7:14-23, it is the mind/spirit against the flesh. The law was given to us because of transgressions to guard us and to show us our sin UNTIL Jesus came to take away our sin nature that produced sin and required the Law. The Laws of God's love are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit, thus giving us life. We no longer have to keep laws we are in opposition to, requiring us to struggle. No, our new nature naturally wants to keep the laws of the Spirit of life in Christ, and we are no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit which has freed us from the law of sin and death.
So why do YOU continue to SIN as a "Spirit filled Born Again Christian" ???
 

civic

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Galatians 5:16-18
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Alert: Translators have capitalized the "S" in spirit, when it is talking about our mind, as in Romans 7:25, not the Holy Spirit. Those who are born again are not "in" the flesh, but in the Holy Spirit. It is one or the other, but not BOTH! This error has caused whole denominations to see themselves as sinners, and not free children of God.

See Romans 7:25

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

The mind struggles against the flesh, and the flesh against the mind. That error has caused whole denominations to believe we can never be free from sin.

15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

In reading Romans 7:13 we see that the law is holy, but the Old Covenant required the letter of the law to be kept in opposition to the indwelling sin nature. That is why the struggle is described in Romans 7:14-23, it is the mind/spirit against the flesh. The law was given to us because of transgressions to guard us and to show us our sin UNTIL Jesus came to take away our sin nature that produced sin and required the Law. The Laws of God's love are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit, thus giving us life. We no longer have to keep laws we are in opposition to, requiring us to struggle. No, our new nature naturally wants to keep the laws of the Spirit of life in Christ, and we are no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit which has freed us from the law of sin and death.
Impossible as the context in Galatians 5 is the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit is the Holy Spirit. You really do not know how to study the context of a passage.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.
 

CharismaticLady

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Impossible as the context in Galatians 5 is the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit is the Holy Spirit. You really do not know how to study the context of a passage.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

You are seeing it, but don't know you are seeing it. You've got the point, so a gold star to you. If you are in the Spirit you are not under the LAW! But if you are in the flesh, you are not in the Spirit, but under the law. You just don't like it that you would be agreeing with me. That is not your aim.
 

Bob Carabbio

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That's the point. If you are in the Spirit you are not under the LAW! But if you are in the flesh, you are not in the Spirit, but under the law.
However the EXISTENCE of SIN doesn't matter whether we're under the LAW or not. The LAW only makes SIN VISIBLE. Since the Born Again Christian has allowed themselves to be JUDGED by the Law, and have been Crucified with Christ on the cross, the LAW has had it's way in putting us to DEATH, and the Life we have NOW is Jesus' life IN us. However it's STILL our job to Mortify the "flesh"(the OLD MAN) who is still very much with us with its lusts and appetites. And we WILL NEVER accomplish that process completely in this side of the grass.
 

Iconoclast

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You are seeing it, but don't know you are seeing it. You've got the point, so a gold star to you. If you are in the Spirit you are not under the LAW! But if you are in the flesh, you are not in the Spirit, but under the law. You just don't like it that you would be agreeing with me. That is not your aim.
Your teachings are consistently wrong.
Are you the one who claims to hear the audible voice of God for over 44years?
 
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CharismaticLady

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However the EXISTENCE of SIN doesn't matter whether we're under the LAW or not. The LAW only makes SIN VISIBLE. Since the Born Again Christian has allowed themselves to be JUDGED by the Law, and have been Crucified with Christ on the cross, the LAW has had it's way in putting us to DEATH, and the Life we have NOW is Jesus' life IN us. However it's STILL our job to Mortify the "flesh"(the OLD MAN) who is still very much with us with its lusts and appetites. And we WILL NEVER accomplish that process completely in this side of the grass.

What you believe flies in the face of Jesus taking away our sin. I believe Him, not early Reformationists where the heresy seems to have taken on a life of its own called defeatism. You cannot be free when you brainwash yourself into believing you are doomed to sin this side of the grass, which is why you asked me your foul question as if it were true. Read John 8:32-36 and let the truth set you free, and give Jesus the honor due Him. Jesus is the Christ, not just our Savior. Daniel 9:24
 

CharismaticLady

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Your teachings are consistently wrong.
Are you the one who claims to hear the audible voice of God for over 44years?

Yes, that's me. How ya doin' Iconoclast. Haven't heard from you for a while. When are you going to come over to the side of the Truth of Christ and away from the dead doctrines of "we'll always be slaves of sin" of the early Reformationists.

The truth shall set you free. Not free from punishment. Not free from all law. But free from SIN. John 8:32-36
 

e v e

Super Member
Galatians 5:16-18
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Alert: Translators have capitalized the "S" in spirit, when it is talking about our mind, as in Romans 7:25, not the Holy Spirit. Those who are born again are not "in" the flesh, but in the Holy Spirit. It is one or the other, but not BOTH! This error has caused whole denominations to see themselves as sinners, and not free children of God.

See Romans 7:25

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

The mind struggles against the flesh, and the flesh against the mind. That error has caused whole denominations to believe we can never be free from sin.

15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

In reading Romans 7:13 we see that the law is holy, but the Old Covenant required the letter of the law to be kept in opposition to the indwelling sin nature. That is why the struggle is described in Romans 7:14-23, it is the mind/spirit against the flesh. The law was given to us because of transgressions to guard us and to show us our sin UNTIL Jesus came to take away our sin nature that produced sin and required the Law. The Laws of God's love are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit, thus giving us life. We no longer have to keep laws we are in opposition to, requiring us to struggle. No, our new nature naturally wants to keep the laws of the Spirit of life in Christ, and we are no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit which has freed us from the law of sin and death.
the bible is riddled with translation errors, not by accident either.
 

e v e

Super Member
Yes, that's me. How ya doin' Iconoclast. Haven't heard from you for a while. When are you going to come over to the side of the Truth of Christ and away from the dead doctrines of "we'll always be slaves of sin" of the early Reformationists.

The truth shall set you free. Not free from punishment. Not free from all law. But free from SIN. John 8:32-36
you are in an ape body.

it IS sin.
 

e v e

Super Member
Impossible as the context in Galatians 5 is the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit is the Holy Spirit. You really do not know how to study the context of a passage.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.
no
 

CharismaticLady

Well-known member
im just telling you that He did not create your ape. and that as long as you are in it you are not yet free.

Well this verse has confused me for decades as it contradicts Paul teaching to the Romans. But God showed me what the problem was. It is the same as Romans 8:25. Hey, @Iconoclast, yep I heard from Him again! And I'm thrilled. And none of you can take away my joy.
 
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