Modern translations/ scriptural support ?

Steven Avery

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I see, so you can ask a question and I answer straightforwardly, but when I ask you a question, you can dodge it. I ask again, what is a "dyed-in-the-wool Hortian" and do you think I am such an individual? The question that now appears in the post to which I responded was edited in afterward and I will answer it provided this is a fair back and forth of Q&A. That is entirely up to you...
Kind regards,
Jonathan

And I realized that the question of how certain you are of what is original scripture comes first. e.g. There is an A-B-C-D-E system that goes with the Critical Text.
 

En Hakkore

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And I realized that the question of how certain you are of what is original scripture comes first. e.g. There is an A-B-C-D-E system that goes with the Critical Text.
So you're retracting your Hortian comment and want me instead to answer this: "How certain are you of those two sections as not being scripture?"

Kind regards,
Jonathan
 

kiwimac

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And what is a "dyed-in-the-wool Hortian" and do you think I am such an individual?

Kind regards,
Jonathan
It is Avery's go-to insult and an attack on F.J.A. Hort, an Anglican prelate and translator of the Bible who, unlike Avery, was fluent in Koine Greek, could read and write Hebrew AND Latin.
 

En Hakkore

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So I'm either a "weird eclectic" or a "Hortian dupe" --- gee, thanks. If and when you are interested in a civil discussion, let me know. In the meantime, it's the 8th rather than 16th verse of Mark where critical scholars terminate the gospel...

Kind regards,
Jonathan
 
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En Hakkore

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It is Avery's go-to insult and an attack on F.J.A. Hort, an Anglican prelate and translator of the Bible who, unlike Avery, was fluent in Koine Greek, could read and write Hebrew AND Latin.
Thanks kiwimac... I got the connection to Hort, but wasn't exactly sure where that was being driven or why I would be affiliated with him. I don't recall mentioning either him or Westcott recently, nor would I or any contemporary critical scholar identify our positions with him specifically, even if we are appreciative of the work he did. For example, I reject his theory of so-called 'Western Non-Interpolations' and wrote a term paper some years back challenging Ehrman's defense of it particularly as it relates to Luke 24:51-52. I've been meaning to come back to it, make some revisions and submit it for peer review/publication... so many projects, so little time! In any case, I appreciate the post and confirmation that it was intended as an insult.

Kind regards,
Jonathan
 

Steven Avery

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It is Avery's go-to insult and an attack on F.J.A. Hort, an Anglican prelate and translator of the Bible who, unlike Avery, was fluent in Koine Greek, could read and write Hebrew AND Latin.

Thus, proving that knowing Biblical languages has nothing to do with Bible text sense. Hort wrote some of the most absurd and convoluted nonsense you will ever see, without any logic or sense. I especially like one quote from P. C. Sense about his style.
 

Theo1689

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It is on hold. You could be some sort of weird, wacky textual eclectic. Generally anyone who supports Mark as ending at the 16th verse, against overwhelming evidence, is a Hortian dupe, however you could be an exception.

As usual, Avery proves he has no clue what he's talking about.
 

Steven Avery

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Jonathan, I do appreciate your tone. Not sure if there is time and energy to go over specific points, although it would be fun to go over the Hortian retinue (primitive corruptions, neutral text, the missing genealogy, etc.)

Notice that when a particular verse, text or translation, issue is brought up, I do try to answer it properly. And I mirror the information on my home forum. That is one of my main purposes, both on the old CARM and the current one.
 

Theo1689

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Interesting contrast between En Hakkore and Theo1689.

My tone is the same as yours and Leatherneck's, so if you have a problem with that, you might want to consider trying to set a better example, and fewer "blah blah" responses.

Think about it....
 

En Hakkore

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Jonathan, I do appreciate your tone. Not sure if there is time and energy to go over specific points, although it would be fun to go over the Hortian retinue (primitive corruptions, neutral text, the missing genealogy, etc.)
As I'm already committed to in-depth discussions elsewhere, I'm ok with an informal dialogue here with relatively short posts... feel free to pick one of the topics you suggested, briefly state your position or offer a criticism, and we'll go from there...

Kind regards,
Jonathan
 

Buzzard

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There is, according to Moses;
a time to come when all things written will be fulfilled
"The Time of the End"
be it weeks, a few months or a period of years
3 1/2 generations

And the Spirit and the bride say,
Come.
And let him that heareth say,
Come.
And let him that is athirst
come.
And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,

(and the testimony he speaks of is)
If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this boo
k.

Father Abraham lived 175 years
50 x 3 1/2 = 175
so is it any wonder, we would see arrive on scenes
blown about by the East Wind straight out of the Fields of Gomorrah

Deut 32:30
How should one chase a thousand,
and two put ten thousand to flight,
except their Rock had sold them,
and the Lord had shut them up?

31 For their rock is not as our Rock,
(their rock < ---vs---> our Rock,)
even our enemies themselves being judges.

32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom,
and of the fields of Gomorrah:
their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:

33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.

34 Is not this laid up in store with me,
and sealed up among my treasures?

Oh Job;
Have you not seen,
the treasures I have laid up in store
against the Day of Battle and War
 

logos1560

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In response to the truth that modern KJV-only teaching is a doctrine of men, a tradition of man, opinions of men, or human KJV-only reasoning and not a doctrine of God, one KJV-only poster responds with mere nonsense. He seeks to divert away from the truth.
 

logos1560

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Rick cannot see the difference between the 1500s development of the Reformation Bible and the decrepit Westcott-Hort recension, with its 45 missing verses, many hard errors, hundreds of major corruptions and thousands overall, just in the NT.

So, we can smile, and try to humor him in his blindness and ignorance.
Your bogus allegation is not true, and it reveals your own blindness and your disobedience to Scripture by bearing false witness.

You know that I have nowhere advocated nor recommended the Westcott-Hort Greek text.
My scripturally-based position has nothing to do with Westcott and Hort.
 
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