brightfame52
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Dont put that heresy on Jesus.I am not adding anything. Jesus does. See the quotes. Are you making Jesus a liar?
Dont put that heresy on Jesus.I am not adding anything. Jesus does. See the quotes. Are you making Jesus a liar?
LOL! Denying the word of God is the biggest heresy of all.Dont put that heresy on Jesus.
No denying your heresy, dont put that on Jesus, thats another jesusLOL! Denying the word of God is the biggest heresy of all.
No need to continue this back and forth. Previous exchanges available for all to see, and they can judge for themselves.No denying your heresy, dont put that on Jesus, thats another jesus
God sees your made up doctrine, that water baptism is part of the Gospel !No need to continue this back and forth. Previous exchanges available for all to see, and they can judge for themselves.
When did this thread degenerate to a discussion of baptismal regeneration ?God sees your made up doctrine, that water baptism is part of the Gospel !
Baptismal regeneration is an integral part of regeneration as a whole. It actually comes first. It takes precedence over the other kind. You can't have the second without the first:When did this thread degenerate to a discussion of baptismal regeneration ?
Baptismal regeneration is an integral part of regeneration as a whole. It actually comes first. It takes precedence over the other kind. You can't have the second without the first:
John 3:
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
It doesn't say that the water is optional, or that you can mix them up in any order you like.
Returning to the OP, it is not an accurate definition or description of regeneration, because it attempts to define it linguistically rather than biblically. Regeneration, or more accurately stated, being "born again," is a biblical concept, and is best understood and analyzed within that context, not linguistically outside of that context.
Both have previously been discussed. No need to elaborate on those again. You are confirming what I have said.No I don't think so
Cornelius was regenerated without water
Simon and the Samaritans were water baptized without receiving the spirit
So you sayBoth have previously been discussed. No need to elaborate on those again. You are confirming what I have said.
Nobody is denying any of those. Talking nonsense, wasting time.So you say
over 80 places in the Bible refer to salvation by grace through faith alone. Here are just a very few examples: John 1:12; John 3:16; John 3:36; John 5:24; John 6:40; John 11:25; Acts 10:43; Acts 13:39; Acts 16:30,31; Romans 3:22; Romans 3:28; Romans 4:3; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-13; Galatians 2:16; Galatians 3:26, and Ephesians 2:8-9
So don''t talk nonsenseNobody is denying any of those. Talking nonsense, wasting time.
So don''t talk nonsense
If over 80 places in the Bible refer to salvation by grace through faith alone. '
how can you make water baptism a requirement ?
And where does it state if you are not water baptized you cannot be saved ?Mark 16:
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
It is a given. If you did not believe, you would have no reason to want to be baptized neither. Why would you want to be baptized, if you did not believe? It wouldn't do you any good even if you did. Thy are part of the same package. They go together. You can't have either one without the other.And where does it state if you are not water baptized you cannot be saved ?
No it is not a givenIt is a given. If you did not believe, you would have no reason to want to be baptized neither. Why would you want to be baptized, if you did not believe? It wouldn't do you any good even if you did. Thy are part of the same package. They go together. You can't have either one without the other.
No it is not a given
We just established 80 verses teach Justification/salvation through faith alone
that would be without water baptism
That brings us back to the fact that verse does not state you cannot be saved unless baptizedMark 16:
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not [and consequently not baptized] shall be damned.
Are you suggesting that the Bible contradicts itself? Perhaps you do. I don't.
That brings us back to the fact that verse does not state you cannot be saved unless baptized
Writing in large print does not change that fact
And as noted you agreed 80 verses teach salvation/justification through faith alone
So if you are trying to add water baptism as a requirement you are contradicting the bible or trying to get it to contradict itself
That is exactly what it does say. If it is not saying it about baptism, then it is not saying it about faith neither. You either accept both together, or reject both together. It is not half and half. You don't get to pick the bits you like, and leave out the bits you don't.That brings us back to the fact that verse does not state you cannot be saved unless baptized
LOL! Must be getting desperate!Writing in large print does not change that fact
I just did a search, and found 82 references in the NT to water baptism. No one in the NT who accepted the gospel was not baptized. Do away with those, and I will believe you.And as noted you agreed 80 verses teach salvation/justification through faith alone
I think that applies to you rather than to me.So if you are trying to add water baptism as a requirement you are contradicting the bible or trying to get it to contradict itself