Mormon teaching on handicapped and black and brown races

The Prophet

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What Mormons teach about the birth of a handicapped Child and minorities especially in third world countries



"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee



“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).


Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our worthiness or lack of it in the pre‑existent life? We must accept the justice of God. He is fair to all. With that in mind, we can account in no other way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest Africa, or in flood‑ridden China, or among the starving hordes of India, while some of the rest of us are born in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre‑existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter‑day Saints. There are rewards and punishments, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with sinners and saints, rewarding all according to their deeds.

Mark E. Petersen, Race Problems as they Affect the Church
 

Magdalena

Active member
False doctrine, from false prophets.

We’re given challenges so we can learn what we need to learn, including treating people with compassion.

Not as punishment.
 

zerinus

Member
What Mormons teach about the birth of a handicapped Child and minorities especially in third world countries

"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee

“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).


Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our worthiness or lack of it in the pre‑existent life? We must accept the justice of God. He is fair to all. With that in mind, we can account in no other way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest Africa, or in flood‑ridden China, or among the starving hordes of India, while some of the rest of us are born in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre‑existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter‑day Saints. There are rewards and punishments, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with sinners and saints, rewarding all according to their deeds.

Mark E. Petersen, Race Problems as they Affect the Church

Those are incorrect doctrines which do not agree with Mormon revelation. Prophets are not infallible, they can make mistakes. The true doctrine is in LDS scripture. Anything said by anybody else which does not agree with that is incorrect and a mistake. They are not the doctrine of the Church.
 

Bonnie

Well-known member
What Mormons teach about the birth of a handicapped Child and minorities especially in third world countries



"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee



“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).


Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our worthiness or lack of it in the pre‑existent life? We must accept the justice of God. He is fair to all. With that in mind, we can account in no other way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest Africa, or in flood‑ridden China, or among the starving hordes of India, while some of the rest of us are born in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre‑existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter‑day Saints. There are rewards and punishments, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with sinners and saints, rewarding all according to their deeds.

Mark E. Petersen, Race Problems as they Affect the Church
Harold B. Lee lived from 1899 to 1973. Just an FYI for everyone.
 

Bonnie

Well-known member
False doctrine, from false prophets.

We’re given challenges so we can learn what we need to learn, including treating people with compassion.

Not as punishment.

Those are incorrect doctrines which do not agree with Mormon revelation. Prophets are not infallible, they can make mistakes. The true doctrine is in LDS scripture. Anything said by anybody else which does not agree with that is incorrect and a mistake. They are not the doctrine of the Church.
Lee was the 11th president of your church, your "prophet, seer, and revelator." So, if this is false, ,then doesn't that make Lee a false prophet? I thought you are taught in your church from grade school to "follow the prophet" because he will not lead Mormons astray?
 

Authentic Nouveau

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penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...



In our Christmas program 2019, 2 of our combined childrens choirs totaled 700 children.

Born in 20 different countries.

Our Pastors cardiologist comes to church. She was raised in Nigeria. According to SLC what are her "nationalistic limitations"? lol
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Those are incorrect doctrines which do not agree with Mormon revelation. Prophets are not infallible, they can make mistakes. The true doctrine is in LDS scripture. Anything said by anybody else which does not agree with that is incorrect and a mistake. They are not the doctrine of the Church.
They were Mormon revelation.

So Mormon revelations do not agree with Mormon Revelations.

None of Christ's Disciples had Mormon revelations. none.

The Holy Bible is not referred to as LDS scripture.

Salt Lake Church uses KJV which was not translated by Mormons. Smith says it is wrong so he had to do the Orhtodox JST product.
 

Bonnie

Well-known member
They were Mormon revelation.

So Mormon revelations do not agree with Mormon Revelations.

None of Christ's Disciples had Mormon revelations. none.

The Holy Bible is not referred to as LDS scripture.

Salt Lake Church uses KJV which was not translated by Mormons. Smith says it is wrong so he had to do the Orhtodox JST product.
Actually, Mormons do consider the Bible scripture. But, judging by their doctrines, it is the least important of their 4 "Scriptures."


The bible says that God is NO respecter of persons, that ALL who believe in Him and do what it right are acceptable to Him. Yet, according to what is in the OP, the Mormon God IS.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Actually, Mormons do consider the Bible scripture. But, judging by their doctrines, it is the least important of their 4 "Scriptures."


The bible says that God is NO respecter of persons, that ALL who believe in Him and do what it right are acceptable to Him. Yet, according to what is in the OP, the Mormon God IS.
J Smith wrote his own Bible. Not a translation but he just plugged in his own thoughts.
He got lazy and left a lot alone.

When he cobbled up Genesis 1 it is easiest to see so many mistakes. His son started RLDS and it was a family hand me down church. They own rights to JST Bible and Utah sued to get it and lost.
 

The Prophet

Member
Those are incorrect doctrines which do not agree with Mormon revelation. Prophets are not infallible, they can make mistakes. The true doctrine is in LDS scripture. Anything said by anybody else which does not agree with that is incorrect and a mistake. They are not the doctrine of the Church.

their are copious statements by LDS prophets and Apostles that reaffirm Harold B Lee and Mark E Peterson that teach that doctrine
 

zerinus

Member
their are copious statements by LDS prophets and Apostles that reaffirm Harold B Lee and Mark E Peterson that teach that doctrine
I am not aware of any such "copious" statements; but if there are any others, they are equally incorrect, when they are not supported by scripture.
 

zerinus

Member
Disgusting. And now modern day mormons are backpedaling because this is so shameful.
No back-pedalling. This is what Harold B. Lee himself said:

“If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve, and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false, and you are not bound to accept it as truth.” (Harold B Lee, European Area Conference of the Church, Munich, Germany, 1973.)

“If it is not in the standard works, we may well assume that it is speculation, man’s own personal opinion; and if it contradicts what is in the scripture, it is not true. This is the standard by which we measure all truth.” (Harold B Lee, 11th President, Improvement Era, January 1969, p. 13.)
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
No back-pedalling. This is what Harold B. Lee himself said:

“If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. T
And the Gospel of Jesus Christ shall be declared among them... and their scale of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be white and delightsome people.

(2 Nephi 30:5-6)
from the Book of Mormon

Post the name of one Indian who became WHITE and delightsome.

By the way, there never was an actual
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
Actually, Mormons do consider the Bible scripture. But, judging by their doctrines, it is the least important of their 4 "Scriptures."

I'm sorry, Bonnie, but I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Mormons consider a HANDFUL of verses, among the 31,000 verses in all of the Bible, to be "Scripture".

Amos 3:7; ("God does nothing but reveal to the prophets")
Isa. 28:13; ("line upon line");
John 10:34 ("ye are gods");
1 Cor. 8:5 ("there be gods many");
1 Cor. 15:29 ("baptized for the dead");
James 2:24 ("justified not by faith alone");
James 2:26 ("faith without works is dead"):

... and maybe a few others.

But you know all the "only one god" passages that they won't even acknowledge exist, let alone address...
You know all the "faith not works" passages they won't even acknowledge exist, let alone address...

The passages against polygamy...
The passages against marriage after death....
The passages about elders and deacons needing to be older, wise, and married;
And so many others.
 

Magdalena

Active member
No back-pedalling. This is what Harold B. Lee himself said:

“If anyone, regardless of his position in the Church, were to advance a doctrine that is not substantiated by the standard Church works, meaning the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, you may know that his statement is merely his private opinion. The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve, and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false, and you are not bound to accept it as truth.” (Harold B Lee, European Area Conference of the Church, Munich, Germany, 1973.)

“If it is not in the standard works, we may well assume that it is speculation, man’s own personal opinion; and if it contradicts what is in the scripture, it is not true. This is the standard by which we measure all truth.” (Harold B Lee, 11th President, Improvement Era, January 1969, p. 13.)
The dueling prophets of mormonism. They all claim to speak for God. But when the next one disagrees with them, they are thrown under the bus.

They are all false prophets.
 

zerinus

Member
And the Gospel of Jesus Christ shall be declared among them... and their scale of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be white and delightsome people.

(2 Nephi 30:5-6)
from the Book of Mormon

Post the name of one Indian who became WHITE and delightsome.

By the way, there never was an actual

2 Nephi 26:

33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
 
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