Mormon teaching on handicapped and black and brown races

Magdalena

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2 Nephi 26:

33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
Then why did the Mormon church prevent black people from the priesthood and temples?
 

Magdalena

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Joseph Smith didn't. He ordained a black man to the priesthood. That was another mistake that was later made by his successors.
Joseph Smith sealed his black slaves to himself. But he sealed them as slaves, so he would have servants in the next life.
 

The Prophet

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2 Nephi 26:

33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

Very good verse in the Book of Mormon to disprove LDS leaders on how they handle the black race and females

:):)
 

Authentic Nouveau

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2 Nephi 26:

33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
Reminder
Mormonistas lie if they claim there was an actual Nephi dude.

Looks like internal confusion.

Smith lied. None turned white

save they shall be white and delightsome people.

Racist.
 

The Prophet

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Reminder
Mormonistas lie if they claim there was an actual Nephi dude.

Looks like internal confusion.

Smith lied. None turned white



Racist.
The Present Status of the Lamanites

"The dark skin was placed upon thee Lamanites so that they could be distinguished from the nephites and to keep the two peoples from mixing. The dark skin was the sign of the curse....Perhaps there are some Lamanites today who are losing the dark pigment. Many of the members of the Church among the Catawba Indians of the South could readily pass as of the white race; also in other parts of the South."

Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 122-123 Joseph Fielding Smith

"The day of the Lamanites in nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation...There was the doctor in a Utah city who for two years had had an Indian boy in his home who stated that he was some shades lighter than the younger brother just coming into the program from the reservation. These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness."

- Spencer W. Kimball; The Improvement Era, Dec. 1960, p. 923


At the October 1960 LDS Church Conference, Spencer Kimball utilized 2 Nephi 30:6 when he stated how the Indians "are fast becoming a white and delightsome people." He said, "The [Indian] children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation" (Improvement Era, December 1960, pp. 922-3).

During the same message Kimball referred to a 16-year-old Indian girl who was both LDS and "several shades lighter than her parents..." He went on to say, "These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated."

Kimball's comment sounds very similar to a curious comment made in a conference message given by Elder Eugene J. Neff in 1927. Referring to Hawaiian members, Neff stated:

"The first missionaries went from this section around to another little town on the east side of the island, and there they gathered in a grass hut one hundred people to hear the message of these strange white men, As they all sat around the mat and heard the voice of this missionary from Utah, they were transfigured before George Q. Cannon, and he saw ninety-seven of them become white, and three of them remained dark. He did not understand. He did not know why it was that three of them would remain dark and all the rest should become light. He received a partial answer to this manifestation when it was learned that ninety-seven of those people in meeting at this time joined the Church, became devout members, lived and died Latter-day Saints, while three of them never did. It is said that they will become a white and delightsome people. They are delightsome at present, and I believe they are going to become white. They are growing whiter from year to year. I have said to myself and to some of my intimate friends that I thought the Hawaiian people would become white and delightsome, through intermarriage. I do not know whether that is according to the doctrines of the Church or not, but they have married the oriental races and married white people on the islands to such an extent that today there are more half casts than there are pure Hawaiians" (Conference Report, April 1927, p.49).



LDS writer George Edward Clark gives a similar account in his book titled Why I Believe. On page 129 he wrote:





"The writer has been privileged to sit at table with several members of the Catawba tribe of Indians, whose reservation is near the north border of South Carolina. That tribe, or most of its people, are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon). Those Indians, at least as many as I have observed, were white and delightsome, as white and fair as any group of citizens of our country. I know of no prophecy, ancient or modern, that has had a more literal fulfillment."



It has also been taught in Mormonism that opposite repercussions could result when a white person abandons their Mormon faith. For instance, the Juvenile Instructor (26:635) reads,





"From this it is very clear that the mark which was set upon the descendants of Cain was a skin of blackness, and there can be no doubt that this was the mark that Cain himself received; in fact, it has been noticed in our day that men who have lost the spirit of the Lord, and from whom his blessings have been withdrawn, have turned dark to such an extend as to excite the comments of all who have known them."



In 1857, Brigham Young declared that apostates would "become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil" (Journal of Discourses 5:332).
 

zerinus

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Jane James Elizabeth Manning was one of them. She wanted to be sealed to her husband. But Smith sealed her to himself as an eternal servant in a specially created temple ceremony. She wasn’t having it.

According to the Wikipedia article you had linked to, your statement is false. Joseph Smith never sealed her to himself. That was done by others long after Joseph Smith's death, and reflecting the cultural prejudices of the time which Joseph Smith had never accepted, and was never a part of.
 

brotherofJared

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"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee
I'll address this one. So that I don't have any prejudice in making assumptions about what I think you thinks he's talking about here, I'll ask, what you think he's talking about and what do you think it means?
 

zerinus

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"This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." (Decisions for Successful Living pp 164-165) TLDP: 497- Harold B. Lee

“There is no truth more plainly taught in the Gospel than that our condition in the next world will depend upon the kind of lives we live here. …Is it not just as reasonable to suppose that the conditions in which we now live have been determined by the kind of lives we lived in the pre-existent world of spirits? That the apostles understood this principle is indicated by their question to the Master when the man who was blind from his birth was healed of his blindness, ‘Master, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?’ (John 9:2.) Now perhaps you will have a partial answer to some of your questions as to why, if God is a just Father, that some of his children are born of an enlightened race and in a time when the Gospel is upon the earth, while others are born of a heathen parentage in a benighted, backward country; and still others are born to parents who have the mark of a black skin with which the seed of Cain were cursed and whose descendants were to be denied the rights of the priesthood of God”

(Harold B. Lee, Decisions for Successful Living, pp. 164-165).
Those statements by Harold B. Lee are mistakes. It doesn't make him a false prophet, it just means that prophets are not infallible, and can make mistakes. There are two points to note about those quotes. Firstly, he makes it clear that he is expressing an opinion, he is just guessing. He is not making a prophetic statement, and he is not quoting scripture. Secondly, his statement is contradicted by scripture:

Doctrine and Covenants 93:

38 Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God.


Nobody is born in this world with excess baggage from the preexistence. If some appear to be born in disadvantaged situations, it is entirely due to circumstances incidental to mortality. It has nothing to do with the preexistence.
 

Magdalena

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According to the Wikipedia article you had linked to, your statement is false. Joseph Smith never sealed her to himself. That was done by others long after Joseph Smith's death, and reflecting the cultural prejudices of the time which Joseph Smith had never accepted, and was never a part of.
Ok, it happened in Salt Lake, with Joseph F. Smith acting as proxy for Joseph Smith. But she was not allowed to be sealed to her own family and children. She was "attached as a Servitor for eternity to the prophet Josep[h] Smith and in this capacity . . . connected with his family[, to] be obedient to him in all things in the Lord as a faithful Servitor."

That was the point. And it was because of her race.
 

zerinus

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Ok, it happened in Salt Lake, with Joseph F. Smith acting as proxy for Joseph Smith. But she was not allowed to be sealed to her own family and children. She was "attached as a Servitor for eternity to the prophet Josep[h] Smith and in this capacity . . . connected with his family[, to] be obedient to him in all things in the Lord as a faithful Servitor."

That was the point. And it was because of her race.
That is not correct either. According to the same article, that decision was later reversed, and she was sealed to her own husband later on.
 

Magdalena

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That is not correct either. According to the same article, that decision was later reversed, and she was sealed to her own husband later on.
In 1972. When the mormon church dropped their racist practice. 72 years after she died. By proxy. Come on, Zerinus.
 

zerinus

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In 1972. When the mormon church dropped their racist practice. 72 years after she died. By proxy. Come on, Zerinus.
1979 to exact. So what is wrong with that? Better late than never! It proves that the Church is true, and is able to correct itself where it has gone wrong.
 

Bonnie

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Jane James Elizabeth Manning was one of them. She wanted to be sealed to her husband. But Smith sealed her to himself as an eternal servant in a specially created temple ceremony. She wasn’t having it.

Actually, she was sealed to Smith as a servant long after Smith's death. It was the First Presidency, with Joseph F. Smith acting as proxy for Smith, that sealed her as a servant to Smith. She wanted to be adopted into the family, instead, as Emma had suggested years earlier, but she had said no. She regretted that later in life. She tried until the end of her life to be adopted to Smith, but the LDS church leadership always said "no."
According to the Wikipedia article you had linked to, your statement is false. Joseph Smith never sealed her to himself. That was done by others long after Joseph Smith's death, and reflecting the cultural prejudices of the time which Joseph Smith had never accepted, and was never a part of.
This is true. I read it, too. But it was Joseph F. Smith who sealed her to Smith for eternity as a servant--not as a member of his family, as Emma originally wanted. James spent the rest of her life trying to get the LDS Church to change it, but it never did.

But it still showed the racism inherent in your church. It was actually part of your teachings and faith. Blacks were still denied the priesthood on account of their dark skin, until 1978, when your president suddenly got a 'revelation" that blacks could then start holding the priesthood. As if having more melanin in one's skin made one somehow "unworthy" of priesthood....
 

Magdalena

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1979 to exact. So what is wrong with that? Better late than never! It proves that the Church is true, and is able to correct itself where it has gone wrong.
No, it proves that the mormon church was founded by false prophets. It went wrong right from the start, because it didn’t come from God.

You have a chance now to turn around and follow Christ. I pray that you will.
 

zerinus

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You have a chance now to turn around and follow Christ. I pray that you will.
LOL! Here a chance now for you to repent of your unbelief, and turn around and follow Christ by accepting his restored Church and gospel in the last days.
 

organgrinder

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They were Mormon revelation.

So Mormon revelations do not agree with Mormon Revelations.

None of Christ's Disciples had Mormon revelations. none.

The Holy Bible is not referred to as LDS scripture.

Salt Lake Church uses KJV which was not translated by Mormons. Smith says it is wrong so he had to do the Orhtodox JST product.
And a "sustained" Mormon prophet is no different than any Tom, Dick or Harry. Biblical prophets did not make "mistakes".
 

zerinus

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Biblical prophets did not make "mistakes".
How do you know? We don't have as much information about biblical prophets as we do about modern prophets. All the information we have about biblical prophets is their canonized scriptures. We don't know what else they said in their lives which may have included mistakes. If all the information we had about modern prophets was their canonized scriptures, we wouldn't know if they had made any mistakes either. Are you suggesting that biblical prophets were infallible? No man is infallible. Only God is infallible. Joseph Smith once said, "I never told you I was perfect; but there is no error in the revelations which I have taught." (Teachings, p. 368) That is true of all prophets, including biblical ones.
 
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