Mormonism Destroys Common Sense

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Geography: There can place it on earth. You see maps in the Bible and geography can be placed and documented. You don’t have geography for the Book of Mormon because there is no real-world setting. It cannot be placed.

Peoples & Empires: The peoples and Empires listed in the bible have been well established by archaeology, written records and history but there is no evidence of the peoples and empires listed in the Book of Mormon. There is simply no trace anywhere. Is it possible for the three enormous empires that flourished in the America’s to leave absolutely no trace? Any Archaeologist will say this is not possible.

Cities: Thirty-eight cities mentioned-none have ever been found. No Mormon cities have been located by using the Book of Mormon as a guide. Archaeologists have never successfully used the Book of Mormon as a guide in locating any ancient ruins. Leading archeological researchers not only have repudiated the claims of the Book of Mormon as to the existence of those civilizations, but have amassed much evidence to show the impossibility of the accounts given in the Mormon bible. Many times, Mormons will cite how the Smithsonian Institute backs up their claims. The following is an official statement made by the Smithsonian in 1979: "The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archaeologists see no connection between the archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book."

Plants and Animals: We see the wrong types of plants and animals in the Book of Mormon. For example, the Book of Mormon states horses were used in great battles involving chariots, yet horses were never in the America’s at this time. There is no evidence of horses in Central and North America before the Spaniards arrived (hundreds of years after the Book of Mormon).

Metallurgy and Writings: "Steel" and "iron" are mentioned several times in the Book of Mormon. No evidence has been found in the Americas of iron being hardened to make "steel" in ancient times. Even though ancient Andean people smelted some metals, such as copper, they never smelted iron like they did in the Old World .... Metals were used for a variety of tools in the Old World, such as weapons, while in the Americas, metals were used as prestige goods for the wealthy elite. It is said the Nephites were a culture of writings. Now a culture with writings leaves records, yet there is zero evidence of any writings. An empire that last 1,000 years and claims to be a culture of writings that produced thousands of plates and records should easily be found via archaeology, yet nothing has been found.

DNA Evidence: The Mormon church claims that the ancient inhabitants of the Americas (Indians) descended from the Jews. Genetic evidence shows the Indians can be traced exclusively to Asia.

Ancient Manuscripts: To support the bible, there are over 40,000 ancient manuscripts to support it. There is manuscript evidence almost 2,000 years old supporting the New Testament and over 2,000 years old supporting the Old Testament. The Book of Mormon has ZERO ancient manuscripts to back it up, yet it is criticizing the bible as being unreliable when the bible has over 40,000 ancient manuscripts to support it.

Languages: According to the Book of Mormon, the languages spoken by the first people to live in the America’s were Hebrew and Egyptian. If this were true, at least some of the native American languages should contain words which clearly show this origin. English has thousands of words which contain Greek and Latin roots. After two thousand years these roots still show the influences of Greek and Latin. If the Book of Mormon is correct, many Indian words should contain Hebrew and Egyptian roots. Many English words come to us from Spanish, French and Germanic languages. Hebrew and Egyptian words, however, are not found in any of the Indian languages.

Reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics: Any linguist other than Mormon linguist will tell you they never heard of Reformed Egyptian. The reason any mainstream linguist doesn’t have anything to say about it is because it is a fictional language. Book of Mormon was supposedly translated from "reformed Egyptian." Nothing on the western hemisphere has ever been found that even remotely resembles Egyptian. Officially "reformed Egyptian" doesn't exist. Think about it: the LDS church says that these ancient people in middle America were Jews who came over from Palestine. The last language that any Jew would write in would be Egyptian. The Hebrew language is one of the purest languages of all time. They surely would have written any of their history in Hebrew as they did in the Old Testament.

Dr. A. H. Sayce of Oxford, England wrote: "It is difficult to deal seriously with Joseph Smith's impudent fraud. His facsimile from the Book of Abraham No. 2 is an ordinary hypocephalus, but the hieroglyphics upon it have been copied so ignorantly that hardly one of them is correct".

James H. Breasted, Ph.D., Egyptologist, Haskell Oriental Museum, University of Chicago wrote: “These three facsimiles of Egyptian documents in the ‘Pearl of Great Price' depict the most common objects in the Mortuary religion of Egypt. Joseph Smith's interpretations of them as part of a unique revelation through Abraham, therefore, very clearly demonstrates that he was totally unacquainted with the significance of these documents and absolutely ignorant of the simplest facts of Egyptian writing and civilization.”

Coins: The Bible and the Book of Mormon describe a coinage system. There have been thousands of coins to support the bible dating back to the 1st century. Nothing has ever been found to support the Book of Mormon. Also, metallic coins were never used in ancient America.

Plagiarism: The Book of Mormon Contains plagiarism from King James Version-25,000 words taken verbatim from the King James Version of the Bible. There are 19 complete chapters copied word-for-word from the Bible. The Book of Mormon was supposedly written 1,200 years before the King James Version was published, so how is this possible?

Warfare:
The bible gives numerous accounts of battles involving spears, chariots and places these battles took places and evidence, written records and artifacts have proven these battles to be true. There is zero evidence to support the Book of Mormon.

Temples: Lehi stated he built a temple and constructed it after the manner of King Solomon. Temples in the bible have been found to support the bible and no temple has ever been found to support the Book of Mormon. Jews are not allowed to erect a temple anywhere other than Mount Moriah. The Book of Mormon clearly identifies Lehi as a descendent of Joseph and he appoints his two sons to serve in the Temple they had built. The men who serve in the Holy Temple are all dependents of Aaron. The Book of Mormon claim poses a problem because appointing priest who are not Aaronic Levites was expressly forbidden in the Old Testament and yet the Book of Mormon claims to uphold the Old testament laws.

Historical Figures: In the bible we have evidence to support that ancient historical figures existed like Jesus, Daniel, Moses, Peter, Isaiah, Paul, King David, etc., but there is no evidence that any Mormon prophet ever existed. There is no evidence that Jesus Christ of the bible is the Jesus Christ of the Book of Mormon. I cannot understand how archaeological evidence and textual evidence would point in the historical reality of Christ in Palestine and yet be entirely lost in the Book of Mormon.

The Hill Cumorah: One of the biggest evidences against the Mormon Church is that is does not have a major archaeological dig at the current Hill Cumorah in New York state. Today Archaeologists use some of the most cutting-edge techniques before they even get out their shovels. Remote-sensing methods have allowed scientists to find hidden sites and objects, from Egyptian pyramids to the burial site of Richard III. We have Hi-Tech Mapping using Ground-Penetrating radar, high-resolution magnetometers, and other state-of-the-art remote-sensing equipment can find anything if it is under the dirt!

The Book of Mormon claims that there were STEEL swords, spears, shields, armor, horses etc. in abundance present in this great battle. According to the Book of Mormon, at least 230,000 men died in battle at the Hill Cumorah. Also, this battle was about 1/10 the size of the battle which took place at the same location approximately 1,000 years earlier when, according to Ether 15:2 "nearly two million" of the Jaredites had their last great battle. In theory this site should be a gold mine of easy-to-find archaeological evidence. Don’t you think if the Mormon Church or any Professional Archaeological Organization that was heavily funded with the most modern technology in the world, could find at least one little archaeological find at the Hill Cumorah?

Book of Mormon Changes: Book of Mormon changed at least 3,913 times and many were major changes. The LDS have added words, they have deleted words, they have made textual changes, and they have made thousands of spelling changes. Many Mormons minimize this fact by saying that the changes have been minor. Typographical errors are one thing but they have made weighty changes in doctrine, and they have corrected major errors in consistency and in common sense. Jerald and Sandra Tanner compiled a photo reprint of the original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon with all the changes marked. I will cite one of the first doctrinal changes here: on the title page in the 1830 edition it states: ". . . by Joseph Smith, Junior, Author and Proprietor."
 
Geography: There can place it on earth. You see maps in the Bible and geography can be placed and documented. You don’t have geography for the Book of Mormon because there is no real-world setting. It cannot be placed.

Peoples & Empires: The peoples and Empires listed in the bible have been well established by archaeology, written records and history but there is no evidence of the peoples and empires listed in the Book of Mormon. There is simply no trace anywhere. Is it possible for the three enormous empires that flourished in the America’s to leave absolutely no trace? Any Archaeologist will say this is not possible.

Cities: Thirty-eight cities mentioned-none have ever been found. No Mormon cities have been located by using the Book of Mormon as a guide. Archaeologists have never successfully used the Book of Mormon as a guide in locating any ancient ruins. Leading archeological researchers not only have repudiated the claims of the Book of Mormon as to the existence of those civilizations, but have amassed much evidence to show the impossibility of the accounts given in the Mormon bible. Many times, Mormons will cite how the Smithsonian Institute backs up their claims. The following is an official statement made by the Smithsonian in 1979: "The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archaeologists see no connection between the archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book."

Plants and Animals: We see the wrong types of plants and animals in the Book of Mormon. For example, the Book of Mormon states horses were used in great battles involving chariots, yet horses were never in the America’s at this time. There is no evidence of horses in Central and North America before the Spaniards arrived (hundreds of years after the Book of Mormon).

Metallurgy and Writings: "Steel" and "iron" are mentioned several times in the Book of Mormon. No evidence has been found in the Americas of iron being hardened to make "steel" in ancient times. Even though ancient Andean people smelted some metals, such as copper, they never smelted iron like they did in the Old World .... Metals were used for a variety of tools in the Old World, such as weapons, while in the Americas, metals were used as prestige goods for the wealthy elite. It is said the Nephites were a culture of writings. Now a culture with writings leaves records, yet there is zero evidence of any writings. An empire that last 1,000 years and claims to be a culture of writings that produced thousands of plates and records should easily be found via archaeology, yet nothing has been found.

DNA Evidence: The Mormon church claims that the ancient inhabitants of the Americas (Indians) descended from the Jews. Genetic evidence shows the Indians can be traced exclusively to Asia.

Ancient Manuscripts: To support the bible, there are over 40,000 ancient manuscripts to support it. There is manuscript evidence almost 2,000 years old supporting the New Testament and over 2,000 years old supporting the Old Testament. The Book of Mormon has ZERO ancient manuscripts to back it up, yet it is criticizing the bible as being unreliable when the bible has over 40,000 ancient manuscripts to support it.

Languages: According to the Book of Mormon, the languages spoken by the first people to live in the America’s were Hebrew and Egyptian. If this were true, at least some of the native American languages should contain words which clearly show this origin. English has thousands of words which contain Greek and Latin roots. After two thousand years these roots still show the influences of Greek and Latin. If the Book of Mormon is correct, many Indian words should contain Hebrew and Egyptian roots. Many English words come to us from Spanish, French and Germanic languages. Hebrew and Egyptian words, however, are not found in any of the Indian languages.

Reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics: Any linguist other than Mormon linguist will tell you they never heard of Reformed Egyptian. The reason any mainstream linguist doesn’t have anything to say about it is because it is a fictional language. Book of Mormon was supposedly translated from "reformed Egyptian." Nothing on the western hemisphere has ever been found that even remotely resembles Egyptian. Officially "reformed Egyptian" doesn't exist. Think about it: the LDS church says that these ancient people in middle America were Jews who came over from Palestine. The last language that any Jew would write in would be Egyptian. The Hebrew language is one of the purest languages of all time. They surely would have written any of their history in Hebrew as they did in the Old Testament.

Dr. A. H. Sayce of Oxford, England wrote: "It is difficult to deal seriously with Joseph Smith's impudent fraud. His facsimile from the Book of Abraham No. 2 is an ordinary hypocephalus, but the hieroglyphics upon it have been copied so ignorantly that hardly one of them is correct".

James H. Breasted, Ph.D., Egyptologist, Haskell Oriental Museum, University of Chicago wrote: “These three facsimiles of Egyptian documents in the ‘Pearl of Great Price' depict the most common objects in the Mortuary religion of Egypt. Joseph Smith's interpretations of them as part of a unique revelation through Abraham, therefore, very clearly demonstrates that he was totally unacquainted with the significance of these documents and absolutely ignorant of the simplest facts of Egyptian writing and civilization.”


Coins: The Bible and the Book of Mormon describe a coinage system. There have been thousands of coins to support the bible dating back to the 1st century. Nothing has ever been found to support the Book of Mormon. Also, metallic coins were never used in ancient America.

Plagiarism: The Book of Mormon Contains plagiarism from King James Version-25,000 words taken verbatim from the King James Version of the Bible. There are 19 complete chapters copied word-for-word from the Bible. The Book of Mormon was supposedly written 1,200 years before the King James Version was published, so how is this possible?

Warfare:
The bible gives numerous accounts of battles involving spears, chariots and places these battles took places and evidence, written records and artifacts have proven these battles to be true. There is zero evidence to support the Book of Mormon.

Temples: Lehi stated he built a temple and constructed it after the manner of King Solomon. Temples in the bible have been found to support the bible and no temple has ever been found to support the Book of Mormon. Jews are not allowed to erect a temple anywhere other than Mount Moriah. The Book of Mormon clearly identifies Lehi as a descendent of Joseph and he appoints his two sons to serve in the Temple they had built. The men who serve in the Holy Temple are all dependents of Aaron. The Book of Mormon claim poses a problem because appointing priest who are not Aaronic Levites was expressly forbidden in the Old Testament and yet the Book of Mormon claims to uphold the Old testament laws.

Historical Figures: In the bible we have evidence to support that ancient historical figures existed like Jesus, Daniel, Moses, Peter, Isaiah, Paul, King David, etc., but there is no evidence that any Mormon prophet ever existed. There is no evidence that Jesus Christ of the bible is the Jesus Christ of the Book of Mormon. I cannot understand how archaeological evidence and textual evidence would point in the historical reality of Christ in Palestine and yet be entirely lost in the Book of Mormon.

The Hill Cumorah: One of the biggest evidences against the Mormon Church is that is does not have a major archaeological dig at the current Hill Cumorah in New York state. Today Archaeologists use some of the most cutting-edge techniques before they even get out their shovels. Remote-sensing methods have allowed scientists to find hidden sites and objects, from Egyptian pyramids to the burial site of Richard III. We have Hi-Tech Mapping using Ground-Penetrating radar, high-resolution magnetometers, and other state-of-the-art remote-sensing equipment can find anything if it is under the dirt!

The Book of Mormon claims that there were STEEL swords, spears, shields, armor, horses etc. in abundance present in this great battle. According to the Book of Mormon, at least 230,000 men died in battle at the Hill Cumorah. Also, this battle was about 1/10 the size of the battle which took place at the same location approximately 1,000 years earlier when, according to Ether 15:2 "nearly two million" of the Jaredites had their last great battle. In theory this site should be a gold mine of easy-to-find archaeological evidence. Don’t you think if the Mormon Church or any Professional Archaeological Organization that was heavily funded with the most modern technology in the world, could find at least one little archaeological find at the Hill Cumorah?

Book of Mormon Changes: Book of Mormon changed at least 3,913 times and many were major changes. The LDS have added words, they have deleted words, they have made textual changes, and they have made thousands of spelling changes. Many Mormons minimize this fact by saying that the changes have been minor. Typographical errors are one thing but they have made weighty changes in doctrine, and they have corrected major errors in consistency and in common sense. Jerald and Sandra Tanner compiled a photo reprint of the original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon with all the changes marked.
8 ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord
(Isaiah 55:8)
 
8 ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord
(Isaiah 55:8)
Yeah we have found THOUSANDS of Archaeological Finds to validate the bible, and not 1 damn thing to support the fairy tale called MORMONISM
 
Yeah we have found THOUSANDS of Archaeological Finds to validate the bible, and not 1 damn thing to support the fairy tale called MORMONISM
"We" have?

And scientific evidence is the appropriate foundation for faith? You know Jesus is the Christ because...Jerusalem exists? Can you please provide the evidence that Jesus turned water into wine, or that he healed anyone?

And having Christianity become the official religion of the Roman Empire under Constantine had nothing to do with said evidence? I'm afraid an atheist would demolish your argument.

The logic is as follows: "New York City exists, therefore, Spiderman must be real, but since I can't find Gotham City, Batman is fiction."
 
"We" have?

And scientific evidence is the appropriate foundation for faith? You know Jesus is the Christ because...Jerusalem exists? Can you please provide the evidence that Jesus turned water into wine, or that he healed anyone?

And having Christianity become the official religion of the Roman Empire under Constantine had nothing to do with said evidence? I'm afraid an atheist would demolish your argument.

The logic is as follows: "New York City exists, therefore, Spiderman must be real, but since I can't find Gotham City, Batman is fiction."
Or, because Joseph Smith existed that must mean the Book of Mormon is true because he said so. Or, because Jerusalem exists that must mean Zarahemla did too. Or, because Smith’s name was Joseph that must mean he’s the one mentioned in the Bible. Or, because Christ is mentioned in the Book of Mormon that must mean it’s what Smith claimed it was.
 
Or, because Joseph Smith existed that must mean the Book of Mormon is true because he said so. Or, because Jerusalem exists that must mean Zarahemla did too. Or, because Smith’s name was Joseph that must mean he’s the one mentioned in the Bible. Or, because Christ is mentioned in the Book of Mormon that must mean it’s what Smith claimed it was.
Please direct your comments to your co-hort. I'm not the one who relies on scientific evidence as a basis of faith.
I believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon are true because:
1) They fulfill their own promises (John 7:17, Alma 32, Moroni 10:3-5)
2) I received spiritual witnesses confirming their validity.
 
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Please direct your comments to your co-hort. I'm not the one who relies on scientific evidence as a basis of faith.
I believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon are true because:
1) They fulfill their own promises (John 7:17, Alma 32, Moroni 10:3-5)
2) I received spiritual witnesses confirming their validity.
If you relied on scientific evidence your faith would be lackingin big way
 
Or, because Joseph Smith existed that must mean the Book of Mormon is true because he said so. Or, because Jerusalem exists that must mean Zarahemla did too. Or, because Smith’s name was Joseph that must mean he’s the one mentioned in the Bible. Or, because Christ is mentioned in the Book of Mormon that must mean it’s what Smith claimed it was.
Eleven others also said so.... hmmm
 
If you relied on scientific evidence your faith would be lacking in big way
I think you're missing my point. Maybe this will help:

Having said that, I agree. It can't scientifically be proven either way. However, to believe that absent scientific certainty rules something either true or false is the fallacy of "argument from ignorance". It's extremely difficult to prove a record that acknowledges itself that cities have been destroyed, buried, sunk, (stating "the whole face of the land changed", and the very people who wrote the record died by genocide.
 
I think you're missing my point. Maybe this will help:

Having said that, I agree. It can't scientifically be proven either way. However, to believe that absent scientific certainty rules something either true or false is the fallacy of "argument from ignorance". It's extremely difficult to prove a record that acknowledges itself that cities have been destroyed, buried, sunk, (stating "the whole face of the land changed", and the very people who wrote the record died by genocide.
How convenient that it all disappeared :)
 
How convenient that it all disappeared :)
And yet there will be a day and time that all will be revealed, the full restoration is still going on....

Pres. Nelson
“We’re witnesses to a process of restoration,” President Russell M. Nelson has said. “If you think the Church has been fully restored, you’re just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come. … Wait till next year. And then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest. It’s going to be exciting.”
 
And yet there will be a day and time that all will be revealed, the full restoration is still going on....

Pres. Nelson
“We’re witnesses to a process of restoration,” President Russell M. Nelson has said. “If you think the Church has been fully restored, you’re just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come. … Wait till next year. And then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest. It’s going to be exciting.”
:) Don't hold your breath :)
 
How convenient that it all disappeared :)
And yet, it's funny how you can't see how God could plan this out exactly to determine who are his faithful, truth-seeking, elect, and those that continue to rely on the arm of the flesh. Just as Jesus spoke in parables in his ministry.

D&C 38:
6 And even so will I cause the wicked to be kept, that will not hear my voice but harden their hearts, and wo, wo, wo, is their doom.
22 Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you shall be a free people, and ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come, for I am your lawgiver, and what can stay my hand?
 
And yet, it's funny how you can't see how God could plan this out exactly to determine who are his faithful, truth-seeking, elect, and those that continue to rely on the arm of the flesh. Just as Jesus spoke in parables in his ministry.

D&C 38:
6 And even so will I cause the wicked to be kept, that will not hear my voice but harden their hearts, and wo, wo, wo, is their doom.
22 Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you shall be a free people, and ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come, for I am your lawgiver, and what can stay my hand?
Who are the elect?

Elect

The elect are those who love God with all their hearts and live lives that are pleasing to Him. Those who live such lives of discipleship will one day be selected by the Lord to be among His chosen children.
  • If it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect, Matt. 24:24.
  • John rejoiced because the children of the elect lady were true and faithful, 2 Jn. 1.
  • Thy sins are forgiven thee, and thou art an elect lady, D&C 25:3.
  • Mine elect hear my voice and harden not their hearts, D&C 29:7.
  • Even so will I gather mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, D&C 33:6.
  • Scriptures shall be given for the salvation of mine own elect, D&C 35:20–21.
  • Those who magnify priesthood callings become the elect of God, D&C 84:33–34.
  • For the elect’s sake, the days of tribulation shall be shortened, JS—M 1:20.
 
Please direct your comments to your co-hort. I'm not the one who relies on scientific evidence as a basis of faith.
I believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon are true because:
1) They fulfill their own promises (John 7:17, Alma 32, Moroni 10:3-5)
2) I received spiritual witnesses confirming their validity.
I received truth from God regarding the lies of Joseph Smith.
 
I received truth from God regarding the lies of Joseph Smith.
Yeah well that argument is a little old. I also received truth from God regarding the restoration of the gospel. Your God lied to u. One of us is wrong.

I would rather err on the side of following the teachings of Christ. From my perspective, you all have invented another religion. One that has a form of godliness but denies the power thereof.

You all say nothing is possible with God except he can't make us like himself. Go ahead, tell me you're not denying the power of God.
 
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