I have no issues with those who say are saved and know that aliernate lifestyles are sinning and are trying to overcome, but have big issues with those claiming to be saved and "God made us that way, and he accepts it"Two Anglicans stand up in Synod and declare that the Synod isnt a safe space for them. Both have same sex attraction. One identifies as a Christian who knows same sex relations are sin abd not his identity, and the other identifies as an lgbtqi christian and essentially wants the former prosecuted.
So when any of your fellowship or congregation or leaders refer to lgbt ask them whether that includes the many Christians who have same sex attraction and are set free from it by knowing same sex relations are sin, and have their identity in Christ.
There are many.
Interesting to me that even great archangel Michael did not rebuke Satan, but the Lord rebuke thee! Also, the demon respected Jesusd and paul, but tore apart those trying to command it to flee!Not really a cessationist, but someone who's been around enough to see and hear enough to be very wary and skeptical. Some might call that a lack of faith. It's not - It's more accurate to call it applying 1 Thess. 5:21 - to test everything carefully, in order to recognize what is true and right. That has made and does make some feel uncomfortable.
When scriptures DO state plainly that alternate lifestyles are sinful, abortion is wrong, and not all ways lead to God are cited, that is when we get accused of being those things!When scripture is cited to further racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc,, it is by weaponizing the words of those other than Jesus or by taking Jesus' words out of context. What leads you to believe that Jesus would be seen as a bigot? Just to you make you feel more secure about your own views?
What you stand up for be "biblical", but it isn't about "truth". The words spoken by Jesus while preaching His gospel were about truth.
This is the problem with ignorance of the Bible.While preaching His gospel, Jesus had nothing to say about "same sex relations". That's just a fact. As sad as it is, unfortunately there seem to be more than a few who are more than willing to take the words spoken by Jesus while He preached His gospel out of context and then claim that they say something that they do not. They do not allow His words to speak for themselves. Not just the topic of "same sex relations", but many others as well.
IF any really want to see what Jesus had to say about same sex relationships, see Paul in Romans 1!This is the problem with ignorance of the Bible.
In Matthew 19 and Mark 10 Jesus is challenged about divorce. He said, and I am not going to quote it here again, had they not read that 'in the beginning God made them male and female and it was for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife and the two shall become one flesh.' This comes from the creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2. In Genesis 1 when it says God said let 'us' make mankind in 'our' image that includes Jesus, you know in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God.
In Genesis 2 we read that God took the side of man and created woman and presented woman to man and man said flesh from my flesh and bones from my bones because woman was taken out of man, and it was for this reason ... etc.
Now its the binary of biological sex because God says go and multiply. Jesus also adds what God has joined no-one should separate.
The nature of this union is further explained in the epistles for example 1 Cor 7 and Eph 5 and likened to the union of Christ and His church, the bride and bridegroom, and the union is a giving body and soul husband and wife, one to the other.
So the image of God is a man and a woman to be united, either in faithful marriage or in Christ at the resurrection (Gal 3:28, Matthew 22:30).
Man and man is not the image of God.
The Methodist church, as with others, has abandoned God's image and purpose.
Therefore when Algernon says Jesus says nothing about same sex relations we have to remember that Jesus created a man and a woman in God's image, so He doesnt need to. Anyone who says that doesnt know or want to know what Jesus did create, they only want to know what Jesus didnt create.
When anyone says this is out of context we have to remember that only man/woman union is countenanced throughout the Bible and same sex relations only ever condemned. So its in context 100%
When anyone claims Jesus words speak for themselves, if one lets them its not for same sex relations.
If not confronted with the truth many get deceived, but when confronted the usual response is hostile with accusations of bigotry, homophobia and the like, but our job is to speak the truth in love and pray for people, we cant force anyone to believe.
Well of course. My post was directed at the claim that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality but since He created man and woman to be in union He kind of did.IF any really want to see what Jesus had to say about same sex relationships, see Paul in Romans 1!
Those against the teachings of the scriptures will always misclaim what the bible states on those issuesWell of course. My post was directed at the claim that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality but since He created man and woman to be in union He kind of did.