My Socialism defined

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
My socialism does NOT depend on "other people's money". That would be capitalism via taxes.

Everyone keeps asking what my socialist Utopia is. I've posted in many, many times and still have yet to hear any real counter arguments, other then mocking by the capitalists that will lose the most from this system,

1). we must claim global Default on all National debts world wide.
It's ok for the little guy to lose his investments and pensions to bankruptcy. Lets see how the Ultra rich like it.

2). Set up a global body(elected by the people) that creates and regulates money. Interest and tax free.

Think about it. A global body would be able to create money for things/people like pensioners, a universal health care, infrastructure, cops, fire department, education, all FREE or affordable. Without the use of taxes or debt.
Government employees, welfare recipients(basic income), Disability, etc.. No longer supported by taxation and the people. And paid for by the government with its constitutional right to print money.

Basically eliminating the need to collect taxes.......

We might have to start by giving individual countries the right to make their own money(as dictated by the US constitution) and boot out private bankers.


3). create a one world currency that eliminates monetary inflation. Simply because you can print endless currency without effecting the value of the currency.

Therefore national debt could reach the roof and it wouldn't matter, though they(global body) would still regulate for careless spending of states/countries.


4) Nationalize/eventually globalize all industry. Owned by the people for the people and managed by elected representatives. Effectively ending much corruption.
No more superiors with power over you. For you to be fired you must be voted out by your co-workers. Think about it. Remove the middle men means things for cheaper, lower cost of living. Less work, more vacation time, earlier retirement, more time with loved ones.

5) To encourage entrepreneurial ship? Any entrepreneurs with a new idea, pitch the idea to the Gov. If the Gov likes it? It supplies everything needed, all capital, buildings, machinery, anything. Though it is always property of the Gov. You are given a certain amount of time to manage your company and become successful(Your Idea will expire like a patent). And then the Government will assume total control and the entrepreneur will have enough money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives.
In Capitalism we pay for everything(the price is added to the product)and in the end, the capitalist owns it. Not fair.
(By the way. Dragons den got this idea from me.) Except if you watch the show? Investor greed still impedes entrepreneurs....

The question is???? How do you implement it. Well it would have to start with countries and then spread to countries that are willing to join. Who wouldn't want to join such a utopia that would obliviate poverty and suffering and wipe every tear away?

Effectively defaulting on the country's loans and removing the economic shackles that have been unjustly placed on us.
P.S. for this system to succeed, it must be a global revolution as the aristocracy that rules your world is global in nature.

The question is... will the rich submit peacefully or resist violently.
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My Socialist Utopia wouldn't consist of long hours. I'd also have more vacation time and earlier retirement(45?). Making more jobs available. The trick is to lower the cost of living so people don't have to do that and in order to do that, you have to remove the middle man. The capitalist.
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Once the middleman is removed? The cost of things is determined by how much the laborer wants to charge and how much the consumer wants to spend. Once you remove the Unions, and the Stock holders, and the capitalists, the Insurers and the bankers, and taxes, ect... EVERYTHING will be MUCH cheaper.

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My socialism you are allowed to own property(your own home), just not private business(other than the one I explained above). And everyone does NOT get the same pay, and you can get raises and work your way up, just like in capitalism.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
1). we must claim global Default on all National debts world wide.
It's ok for the little guy to lose his investments and pensions to bankruptcy. Lets see how the Ultra rich like it.
Social Security and all the retirement and pension funds, almost half of the U.S. Treasury debt is held in trust for your retirement.

Canadian Communists want to wipe out debt held by pensions and SS retirement funds.
Social security would be cut off as would pensions which hold Treasury instruments.

Greedy and lazy socialistas are irrational.
 

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
Social Security and all the retirement and pension funds, almost half of the U.S. Treasury debt is held in trust for your retirement.

Canadian Communists want to wipe out debt held by pensions and SS retirement funds.
Social security would be cut off as would pensions which hold Treasury instruments.

Greedy and lazy socialistas are irrational.

You know how many people are robbed of their pension funds worldwide in developed nations?

I want to wipe out debt, but you can have your pension fund.

The debt I speak of is backed by tax dollars. You support taxes?
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
My socialism does NOT depend on "other people's money". That would be capitalism via taxes.

Everyone keeps asking what my socialist Utopia is. I've posted in many, many times and still have yet to hear any real counter arguments, other then mocking by the capitalists that will lose the most from this system,

1). we must claim global Default on all National debts world wide.
It's ok for the little guy to lose his investments and pensions to bankruptcy. Lets see how the Ultra rich like it.

2). Set up a global body(elected by the people) that creates and regulates money. Interest and tax free.

Think about it. A global body would be able to create money for things/people like pensioners, a universal health care, infrastructure, cops, fire department, education, all FREE or affordable. Without the use of taxes or debt.
Government employees, welfare recipients(basic income), Disability, etc.. No longer supported by taxation and the people. And paid for by the government with its constitutional right to print money.

Basically eliminating the need to collect taxes.......

We might have to start by giving individual countries the right to make their own money(as dictated by the US constitution) and boot out private bankers.


3). create a one world currency that eliminates monetary inflation. Simply because you can print endless currency without effecting the value of the currency.

Therefore national debt could reach the roof and it wouldn't matter, though they(global body) would still regulate for careless spending of states/countries.


4) Nationalize/eventually globalize all industry. Owned by the people for the people and managed by elected representatives. Effectively ending much corruption.
No more superiors with power over you. For you to be fired you must be voted out by your co-workers. Think about it. Remove the middle men means things for cheaper, lower cost of living. Less work, more vacation time, earlier retirement, more time with loved ones.

5) To encourage entrepreneurial ship? Any entrepreneurs with a new idea, pitch the idea to the Gov. If the Gov likes it? It supplies everything needed, all capital, buildings, machinery, anything. Though it is always property of the Gov. You are given a certain amount of time to manage your company and become successful(Your Idea will expire like a patent). And then the Government will assume total control and the entrepreneur will have enough money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives.
In Capitalism we pay for everything(the price is added to the product)and in the end, the capitalist owns it. Not fair.
(By the way. Dragons den got this idea from me.) Except if you watch the show? Investor greed still impedes entrepreneurs....

The question is???? How do you implement it. Well it would have to start with countries and then spread to countries that are willing to join. Who wouldn't want to join such a utopia that would obliviate poverty and suffering and wipe every tear away?

Effectively defaulting on the country's loans and removing the economic shackles that have been unjustly placed on us.
P.S. for this system to succeed, it must be a global revolution as the aristocracy that rules your world is global in nature.

The question is... will the rich submit peacefully or resist violently.
----------------------------------------------------------


My Socialist Utopia wouldn't consist of long hours. I'd also have more vacation time and earlier retirement(45?). Making more jobs available. The trick is to lower the cost of living so people don't have to do that and in order to do that, you have to remove the middle man. The capitalist.
--------------------------------------------------

Once the middleman is removed? The cost of things is determined by how much the laborer wants to charge and how much the consumer wants to spend. Once you remove the Unions, and the Stock holders, and the capitalists, the Insurers and the bankers, and taxes, ect... EVERYTHING will be MUCH cheaper.

-------------------------------------------------

My socialism you are allowed to own property(your own home), just not private business(other than the one I explained above). And everyone does NOT get the same pay, and you can get raises and work your way up, just like in capitalism.
There is no counter argument because you have NEVER answered where your socialist nirvana exists. You sound like a raging nut.
 

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
There is no counter argument because you have NEVER answered where your socialist nirvana exists. You sound like a raging nut.
I did, it doesn't exist because imperial capitalist nations wont allow it to exist. Im still waiting for you to name the first capitalist country.lol

This "ragging nut" will educate you! I'm still waiting for you to address the OP.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
I did, it doesn't exist because imperial capitalist nations wont allow it to exist. Im still waiting for you to name the first capitalist country.lol

This "ragging nut" will educate you! I'm still waiting for you to address the OP.
Oh course just like your whole argument that youre poor because others stole from you.

I don't care what the first capitalist country is what is fact is that in place where capitalism has existed more people lives are improved by it. Period. You don't like it? I really dont care
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
Go educate yourself and take econ 101 and psych 101.
That poster thinks he's poor because the "evil" capitalist stole from him. It never occurs to him/her/it that he/she/it is just lazy so dreams creates this fantasy to get through to the next welfare check.
 

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
Oh course just like your whole argument that youre poor because others stole from you.

I don't care what the first capitalist country is what is fact is that in place where capitalism has existed more people lives are improved by it. Period. You don't like it? I really dont care
Im not poor but yes, I am robbed every single day by capitalism, Most people are not even aware they are being robbed......

Capitalism initially brings wealth due to credit, but eventually someone has to pay that debt they accumulated.!! And inflation and taxes are increased. It's a pyramid scheme!

The capitalists that rode the debt train became rich and left future generations with the bill and the end result is usually bankruptcy and poverty.

Every country that leans towards socialism is economically sanctioned by the Imperial west. That is why there are no successful socialist countries!

Name a country(or place) where you can start a socialist society and dont pay taxes to the capitalist rulers?
 

Ontos

Active member
A small town city counsel can barely avoid scandal, but you want to exponentially multiplying the size of government and bureaucracy - this will undoubtedly lead to an even worse reality than we have now.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
Im not poor but yes, I am robbed every single day by capitalism, Most people are not even aware they are being robbed......

Capitalism initially brings wealth due to credit, but eventually someone has to pay that debt they accumulated.!! And inflation and taxes are increased. It's a pyramid scheme!

The capitalists that rode the debt train became rich and left future generations with the bill and the end result is usually bankruptcy and poverty.

Every country that leans towards socialism is economically sanctioned by the Imperial west. That is why there are no successful socialist countries!
Credit is not a consequence of capitalism it's a consequence of poor self discipline.

So I read some of your manifesto until I threw up in my mouth but it seems that in YOUR socialism things will just be free. Is that about it?
 

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
A small town city counsel can barely avoid scandal, but you want to exponentially multiplying the size of government and bureaucracy - this will undoubtedly lead to an even worse reality than we have now.
Give me an example. How can it be worse when more people will be represented?
 

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
Credit is not a consequence of capitalism it's a consequence of poor self discipline.

Banking and credit are the very foundation of capitalism.
So I read some of your manifesto until I threw up in my mouth but it seems that in YOUR socialism things will just be free. Is that about it?
Nope. Read it again. Things will be way cheaper not free. Some things will be free to the public, like health care.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
Banking and credit are the very foundation of capitalism.

Nope. Read it again. Things will be way cheaper not free. Some things will be free to the public, like health care.
Yes that's right but debt thorough credit is the result of a lack of self discipline.

No! In YOUR socialism the world govt will print money. Thats functionally the same thing.
 

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
Yes that's right but debt thorough credit is the result of a lack of self discipline.

Name a capitalist country that is not operating on debt. I'll be waiting a long time.
No! In YOUR socialism the world govt will print money. Thats functionally the same thing.
There is no debt in my socialism. The cost of living will not be passed down to the working class while the super rich evade their tax duties(and believe me, they do).
 

glenlogie

Well-known member
Name a capitalist country that is not operating on debt. I'll be waiting a long time.

There is no debt in my socialism. The cost of living will not be passed down to the working class while the super rich evade their tax duties(and believe me, they do).
Question: How many people do you have willing to live under your version of Utopia?
 

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
Question: How many people do you have willing to live under your version of Utopia?
If it were to establish itself it would probably spread like wild fire(as did communism at first). :) Unless you like greed, corruption and immorality. You'd stick to a capitalist nation.lol

The problem is establishing it. There is no where you can go to evade capitalist taxes. So you'd still be under the thumb of capitalism and capitalist laws....
 

glenlogie

Well-known member
If it were to establish itself it would probably spread like wild fire(as did communism at first). :) Unless you like greed, corruption and immorality. You'd stick to a capitalist nation.lol

The problem is establishing it. There is no where you can go to evade capitalist taxes. So you'd still be under the thumb of capitalism and capitalist laws....
All talk and no action.
 
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