My Socialism defined

[wiseones2cents]

Love the way you always talk about how your system would save the world. Illustrates my point.

I dont think I've ever seen you make any point.lol I believe my system is superior to the existing one. I've yet to see you make any real argument against the OP.

 

[glenlogie]

I dont think I've ever seen you make any point.lol I believe my system is superior to the existing one. I've yet to see you make any real argument against the OP.

You sound peeved. Must be discouraging that you have zero followers.

 

[wiseones2cents]

So in your system everyone exists at a subsistence level.

Is that how you are living now?

Not necessarily. They can exist at a subsistence level or chose to live greater. I guess it would depend on their ambition. How much of the population do you think is ambitious Glen?

I live quite comfortably thank you. I am blessed. It is not for me that I'm here for, but the less fortunate.

 

[Gondwanaland]

care to elaborate?

You've shifted all the power and money to them in your scenario. It's even easier for them to do it.

How many democratic socialist countries can you name? The answer? None.

There have been many. All turn out the same way.

We punish them severely.

How? You've given them all the power and all the money.

Not following???

"The "elites" WILL EXIST IN YOUR FANTASY WORLD TOO."

Not necessarily. Since no one will have the gross wealth that exists in capitalism.

Yes, necessarily. But thank you for admitting everyone will be poor (except of course the government) in your dream system.

 

[glenlogie]

Not necessarily. They can exist at a subsistence level or chose to live greater. I guess it would depend on their ambition. How much of the population do you think is ambitious Glen?

I live quite comfortably thank you. I am blessed. It is not for me that I'm here for, but the less fortunate.

So funny, So you are admitting that people have different levels of ambition. And the most ambitious can earn more, but they will have their excess taken away from them and given to the less ambitious.

 

[glenlogie]

How is pointing out your lack of intellect perceived as I being "peeved"?lol I have my fair share of followers. *grin*

I some times feel discouraged and wonder if humanity and people like you are worth saving, but then I meet a good Samaritan and it restores my faith in humanity.

People on the internet can pretend a lot of things.

 

[glenlogie]

I some times feel discouraged and wonder if humanity and people like you are worth saving, but then I meet a good Samaritan and it restores my faith in humanity.

No thanks, I put my faith in the risen Lord.

 

[wiseones2cents]

You've shifted all the power and money to them in your scenario. It's even easier for them to do it.

Nope. There will be oversight at every level.

There have been many. All turn out the same way.

Name one.

How? You've given them all the power and all the money.

They dont have all the power nor all the money. Managing money and having money are two different things.

"The "elites" WILL EXIST IN YOUR FANTASY WORLD TOO."

Yes, necessarily. But thank you for admitting everyone will be poor (except of course the government) in your dream system.

Not true at all. Show me where I stated everyone will be poor. LMAO I said no one would be grossly rich. NO ONE would be poor too. Since everything would be affordable, unlike the stupid high cost of living of capitalism.

 

[wiseones2cents]

No thanks, I put my faith in the risen Lord.

Sounds to me like you've put your faith in your wealth, but who am I to judge.

 

[glenlogie]

Sounds to me like you've put your faith in your wealth, but who am I to judge.

Your discernment is very faulty.

And I am not wealthy.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Nope. There will be oversight at every level.

And who watches the watchers?

Name one.

Venezuela.

They dont have all the power nor all the money. Managing money and having money are two different things.

No, they are not.

Not true at all. Show me where I stated everyone will be poor. LMAO I said no one would be grossly rich. NO ONE would be poor too. Since everything would be affordable, unlike the stupid high cost of living of capitalism.

You implicitly stated it.

But sure, you're partly right, no one would be poor because you can't call the entire population poor when they all have the same level of destitution

 

[wiseones2cents]

Your discernment is very faulty.

I am usually not far from the truth.

And I am not wealthy.

You dont have to be wealthy to worship money/materialism/wealth.

 

[ferengi]

I am usually not far from the truth.

LOL- this is called delusion

You dont have to be wealthy to worship money/materialism/wealth.

And there is no bigger worshipper of wealth than you - you are so pathetically jealous of those who are intelligent and actually put out the effort to succeed - why don't you just stop being lazy and accomplish something and stop being envious of those who actually work for a living?

 

[glenlogie]

I am usually not far from the truth.

You dont have to be wealthy to worship money/materialism/wealth.

Ferengi has hit the nail on the head. You are inordinately obsessed with money and you demonstrate it by the vitriol towards anyone who has more than you.

Maybe your self admitted laziness is the problem, coupled with your delusion that you deserve to be the ruler of the world.

 

[wiseones2cents]

And who watches the watchers?

EVERYONE! When we see them accumulating too much wealth, we will know that something is up. And we will take it back. Sure they might steal a little, but the corruption will be very limited and wont hurt the public as much as corruption and capitalism hurt the people now. Via heavy taxation, inflation and the high cost of living.

Venezuela.

Is Venezuela oppressing it's people? Last time I checked Hugo Chavez was loved by the poor because of the social programs he initiated after the collapse of their economy due to the fact the price of oil dropped and they couldn't afford to pay their capitalist creditors.

He was hated by all the rich and foreign countries because he seized their assets(nationalized industry) to pay for it all. And thus got sanctioned by the capitalist west.

The biggest question is......Why would a country that found so much oil wealth need capitalist creditors in the first place? Well when you understand the US installed a dictator, to help siphon wealth out of the country, you'll begin to see the bigger picture. And this wasn't only the case in Venezuela...

No, they are not.

Of course it is !! managing someone's millions and owning the millions are 2 totally different things. Are you kidding me?lol

You implicitly stated it.

Sounds like you hear only what you want to hear.lol I said no such thing.

But sure, you're partly right, no one would be poor because you can't call the entire population poor when they all have the same level of destitution

Yawn. There would be no destitution at all. You want to see destitution just go to any large America capitalist city......

 

[wiseones2cents]

Ferengi has hit the nail on the head. You are inordinately obsessed with money and you demonstrate it by the vitriol towards anyone who has more than you.

Yawn. That earned it unethically.

Maybe your self admitted laziness is the problem, coupled with your delusion that you deserve to be the ruler of the world.

I admitted I was lazy in regards to writing a book. Not in general. But nice try.

 

[Gondwanaland]

EVERYONE! When we see them accumulating too much wealth, we will know that something is up. And we will take it back. Sure they might steal a little, but the corruption will be very limited and wont hurt the public as much as corruption and capitalism hurt the people now. Via heavy taxation, inflation and the high cost of living.

Lol such ideological cluelessness

Is Venezuela oppressing it's people?

YES!

Last time I checked Hugo Chavez was loved by the poor because of the social programs he initiated after the collapse of their economy due to the fact the price of oil dropped and they couldn't afford to pay their capitalist creditors.

Hugo Chavez has been dead for almost 10 years my dude.

He was hated by all the rich and foreign countries because he seized their assets(nationalized industry) to pay for it all. And thus got sanctioned by the capitalist west.

More excuses for the government socialist mismanagement of the country.

The biggest question is......Why would a country that found so much oil wealth need capitalist creditors in the first place? Well when you understand the US installed a dictator, to help siphon wealth out of the country, you'll begin to see the bigger picture. And this wasn't only the case in Venezuela...

Ancient history excuses.

Of course it is !! managing someone's millions and owning the millions are 2 totally different things. Are you kidding me?lol

Not when the person managing it is the same person producing it.

Sounds like you hear only what you want to hear.lol I said no such thing.

Yawn. There would be no destitution at all. You want to see destitution just go to any large America capitalist city......

You tacitly admitted it with your statement.

 

[glenlogie]

Yawn. That earned it unethically.


I admitted I was lazy in regards to writing a book. Not in general. But nice try.

So anybody who has earned more than you has done it unethically. Your envy is on full display.

So running a government is much harder than writing a book? I mean with what you have typed in these forums is not much different than writing a book. Running a government does take more effort.

All you have is a pipe dream and excuses.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Lol such ideological cluelessness

Lets agree to disagree.

YES!

Hugo Chavez has been dead for almost 10 years my dude.

I asm well aware he is dead, but also aware he was loved by his people AND was elected by a landslide.

More excuses for the government socialist mismanagement of the country.

So history is now an excuse? NEXT!!

Ancient history excuses.

NEXT!! It appears he/she is only interested in things that suit his/her pro capitalism narrative.lol

Not when the person managing it is the same person producing it.

Yes it is. Therefore if the US government made a $1,000,000 they could spend it how they like? Absolutely not.

You tacitly admitted it with your statement.

Yawn. Grasping at straws is an understatement.

 

[wiseones2cents]

So anybody who has earned more than you has done it unethically. Your envy is on full display.

So running a government is much harder than writing a book? I mean with what you have typed in these forums is not much different than writing a book. Running a government does take more effort.

All you have is a pipe dream and excuses.

Nice try twisting my words. I dont mind if they earned more money than me, but not unethically.

I think writing the book is more difficult.lol What's harder, telling people what to do, or actually doing the work?

After this covid plandemic ends, i will take a leave of absence from CARM, but if and when I return, I will have videos of myself educating the masses.