My testimony, or why I'm charismatic even though I don't speak in tongues.

[squirrelyguy]

Over 8 years ago I received a prophetic word from a couple that is engaged in full-time prophetic ministry (they travel the country doing it). I was invited to a friend's house where the couple would be staying, along with a number of other mutual friends. This couple knew none of us before that evening, except for the hostess.

My friend simply gave this couple our names in advance so they could pray over us by name before the meeting. Then they went around the room and spoke over us one-by-one (and recorded what they said). The prophetic exchanges were between 5 and 10 minutes each. I still have my recording.

When they had finished with everybody but me, the husband thanked everyone for being there and basically began to wrap up the evening...and everyone looked at me and pointed, and he looked puzzled and asked the hostess if she had submitted my name in advance. She said she had. Then he thought for a moment, started his recording device, and asked if they could prophesy over me. Of course I said yes.

The prophetic words they spoke did not address my sins or any demons or bondages. They did, however, use words that I only use in my prayer life with God.

I struggled with depression for most of my life. I'm not talking about the situational, I've-had-a-bad-day type of depression either. Anyone who has struggled with an abiding sense of depression knows what I'm talking about...it follows you and torments you no matter how good your life may be. I realized within a few months afterwards that the abiding sense of depression had left me. Nothing in their prophecy directly addressed depression. They simply spoke the words they were given, and the depression left.

Also, I struggled with pornography for some years until that day. I tried the legalistic stuff such as cutting off internet access, forcing myself to read the Bible more, everything that people typically advise you to do (along with getting an accountability partner) when dealing with that particular temptation. Nothing ever really worked. I would go through phases where I wouldn't look at it, but the temptation was present on a fairly regular basis...and when I would give in, I would battle day and night for at least a week to not indulge the temptation again. But within a few weeks of their prophesy (which did not address this issue at all), I realized that I didn't have any desire to look at porn. It was as if someone had flipped a switch inside of me. The desire was gone, and in the 8 years since then I have not looked at porn even once. The last time I looked at it was a week before that day. The thought of looking at that stuff is utterly profane and disgusting to me now, and this feeling of disgust is like a permanent shroud over me that keeps all temptation away. It's the sort of thing I had always prayed for and hoped God would do for me!

I don't know if anyone has ever said they experienced deliverance as a result of being prophesied over, but I believe I experienced it!

One caveat that may matter: when it was her turn to speak to me, the wife at one point uttered a few words in a strange tongue, mid-sentence, and then finished her original thought in English. Perhaps this tongue she spoke were words of deliverance, commanding demons to leave me? I don't know. Nobody offered an interpretation, and I didn't manifest in any discernible way after she said it.

 

[RiJoRi]

Praise God! ?
--Rich
(That's a rejoicing, in case someone is wondering!)

 

[Hark]

Over 8 years ago I received a prophetic word from a couple that is engaged in full-time prophetic ministry (they travel the country doing it). I was invited to a friend's house where the couple would be staying, along with a number of other mutual friends. This couple knew none of us before that evening, except for the hostess.

My friend simply gave this couple our names in advance so they could pray over us by name before the meeting. Then they went around the room and spoke over us one-by-one (and recorded what they said). The prophetic exchanges were between 5 and 10 minutes each. I still have my recording.

When they had finished with everybody but me, the husband thanked everyone for being there and basically began to wrap up the evening...and everyone looked at me and pointed, and he looked puzzled and asked the hostess if she had submitted my name in advance. She said she had. Then he thought for a moment, started his recording device, and asked if they could prophesy over me. Of course I said yes.

The prophetic words they spoke did not address my sins or any demons or bondages. They did, however, use words that I only use in my prayer life with God.

I struggled with depression for most of my life. I'm not talking about the situational, I've-had-a-bad-day type of depression either. Anyone who has struggled with an abiding sense of depression knows what I'm talking about...it follows you and torments you no matter how good your life may be. I realized within a few months afterwards that the abiding sense of depression had left me. Nothing in their prophecy directly addressed depression. They simply spoke the words they were given, and the depression left.

Also, I struggled with pornography for some years until that day. I tried the legalistic stuff such as cutting off internet access, forcing myself to read the Bible more, everything that people typically advise you to do (along with getting an accountability partner) when dealing with that particular temptation. Nothing ever really worked. I would go through phases where I wouldn't look at it, but the temptation was present on a fairly regular basis...and when I would give in, I would battle day and night for at least a week to not indulge the temptation again. But within a few weeks of their prophesy (which did not address this issue at all), I realized that I didn't have any desire to look at porn. It was as if someone had flipped a switch inside of me. The desire was gone, and in the 8 years since then I have not looked at porn even once. The last time I looked at it was a week before that day. The thought of looking at that stuff is utterly profane and disgusting to me now, and this feeling of disgust is like a permanent shroud over me that keeps all temptation away. It's the sort of thing I had always prayed for and hoped God would do for me!

I don't know if anyone has ever said they experienced deliverance as a result of being prophesied over, but I believe I experienced it!

One caveat that may matter: when it was her turn to speak to me, the wife at one point uttered a few words in a strange tongue, mid-sentence, and then finished her original thought in English. Perhaps this tongue she spoke were words of deliverance, commanding demons to leave me? I don't know. Nobody offered an interpretation, and I didn't manifest in any discernible way after she said it.

Keep trusting Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd & Friend because attributing anything to a couple or how it was done, should be proved or reproved by scripture with Him.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

You may be making an assumption that otherwise had happened by the Lord's hand at some other time & place that you were unaware of.

Look at how that experience leads you to testify of. Look at how it can mislead believers to going to them rather than to Jesus Christ.

I know you gave credit to the Lord but you seem to be crediting a certain way for the Lord to do His work in your life, but it sounded like you were giving them the credit and that believers should look for that kind of a situation & couple to get an answer to prayers.

And you were giving this testimony to explain why you are Charismatic. See what I mean?

I do not doubt the Lord helped you, but when credit goes somewhere else and why you are Charismatic, that is not giving the Lord the credit.

I believe the Lord had helped you. I am just asking you to take pause & to discern that with Him as to how & when He really had helped you.

I can continue to discern that event with Him by the scripture as not of Him for how the woman had spoken, but it is better that you do it with Him. It is the reason why I believe you should reconsider when and how the Lord had helped you. It wasn't them or how they did it.

 

[cjab]

So what to you is the defining characteristic of being "charismatic"? That someone actually spoke to you? That's quite novel in some churches I'll agree. I am used to going to places where no-one speaks to you, or if they do, only superficially. And what were the words of prophecy? Why do categorize them as prophetic?

 

[Hark]

So what to you is the defining characteristic of being "charismatic"? That someone actually spoke to you? That's quite novel in some churches I'll agree. I am used to going to places where no-one speaks to you, or if they do, only superficially. And what were the words of prophecy? Why do categorize them as prophetic?

@squirrelyguy & @RiJoRi

And are they doing it as Paul instructs the assembly to do in using their gifts? Like when it comes to prophesying, ( edifying ) two or three prophesy & another judge it while two or three speak in tongues and another interpret.

1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

And this to be done with women being silent in the church, forbidden to teach as this is a commandment from the Lord for why the Holy Spirit would not manifest anything by the women in any assembly.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Now when it comes to outward ministries from their homes or other public places, women can be used by the Lord but with the instruction of having their heads covered when they preach, teach, or pray. Is it so we do not look upon them & their glory but listen to His words?

1 Corinthians 11:1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

If women saw their gift of gab & being more sociable then the men, they could see why the Lord would use them in outward ministry as keeping members involved in fellowship, Bible studies at their homes, and social circles and coming to church too.

As it is, when believers look to signs & wonders or for the Lord to do something by someone, they increase as the Lord decrease, and more often times than not, signs & wonders are not from the Lord after all, but by visiting spirits that saved believers assume is the Holy Spirit, but it is not.

Remember the warning by Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 where they can boast of sins & wonder; "good" things from the Lord, but when people fall in them, not of Him at all : Matthew 7:24-27.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The iniquity mentioned in Matthew 7:21-23 is the one where they broadened the way in coming to God the Father by as if the Holy Spirit is Another WAY to approach God the Father by. That is why Jesus meant what He has said that He is the only way.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So when believers seek to climb up another way in worship, fellowship, or prayer as if the Holy Spirit is the way to come to God the Father by, they are committing iniquity when Jesus is the only way. Look at the judgment over all believers and how the latter part of verse 23 leaves no wiggle room for putting the spotlight on the Holy Spirit in worship, prayer, or fellowship ( Jesus & thus the Father has fellowship with us through the Holy Spirit but our response is back to the Bridegroom if you are addressing access of the Spirit by Whom the Bridegroom relates to us )

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The real indwelling holy Spirit would always keep the spotlight on the Son for why the spirit of the antichrist can be seen as taking that spotlight away from the Son in worship with their visitations of signs & wonders.

Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade is an apostate movement in Ohio where he would announce the coming of the Holy Spirit on already saved believers for a healing by announcing "WhOOOOOOOOO!!!!" and recipients would fall backwards with someone catching them to lower them to the ground. He would point out into the assembly prophesying about someone having a specified illness that will be healed as that person was to raise their hands for that healing and I did note that more than one hands was raised... quite a few actually where he was pointing at.

It has been reported that those who receive good things, got something else instead or another family member that was in such a movement got an illness, even a mental illness. Scripture says to not call something good evil or evil good, but if it produces evil fruits, then the good is not really that good after all because Jesus said no evil tree can produce a good fruit nor a good tree produces evil fruit. If evil is spotted, it is not of Him. When looking to a person or the "Holy Spirit" to manifest in some spectacular way outside of us causing believers to fall, it is not of Him.

So ask Jesus Christ today for discernment because in these latter days, faith can be hard to find when apostasy abounds in all the churches for broadening the way in how we are to come to God the father by instead of the Son..

 

[RiJoRi]

@Hark : You mean that in your theology one is not allowed to rejoice that God has delivered someone from a nasty addiction?

Praise God! ?
--Rich
(That's a rejoicing, in case someone is wondering!)

Sad.
Mat 12:24-26 [KJV] But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

 

[Hark]

@Hark : You mean that in your theology one is not allowed to rejoice that God has delivered someone from a nasty addiction?

Sad.
Mat 12:24-26 [KJV] But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

@squirrelyguy & @cjab

Explain this to me then.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

This is the iniquity that leads many astray by approaching the Father by Anther way than Jesus Christ, the Son of God..

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

The iniquity is ecumenical in nature as gathering grapes of thorns & figs of thistles.

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

You got Pentecostals telling Charismatics involved in being slain in the spirit & holy laughter movement;, Toronto's Blessings, as judging that movement of the spirit as not of the Lord. Even Pensacola outpouring are telling people at Toronto's that their movement is not of the Lord.

The late David Wilkerson says holy laughter is not of the Lord & yet he cannot understand why signs seekers are coming to his services & being disappointed. It is because he talks like them, inviting the Holy Spirit to come to the place of worship and feeling "His Presence" in the worship place. That is the same rudiment as found in the holy laughter movement. The same tree. The same route. The same evil fruit.

So it is that route as in that tree, seeking to receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation, even for a sign of tongues or the evidence of tongues is not of Him, because you cannot receive Him again when He has been in you since salvation at the calling of the gospel when you had first believed. This is the falling away fo teh faith spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, 7 , 9-12 & the tradition taught of us in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 is to remind us believers when the only time we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel. Indeed, paul warned us to beware those who preach another Jesus, another spirit which we had not received, & another gospel in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 & to remind us of our faith in 2 Corinthians 13:5 that Jesus Christ is in us since we had first believed in him to be saved.

Look at the "good things" these believers attested to when focus is on that movement of the spirit that visits the already saved believer.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

That iniquity in verses 13-14 is by climbing up another way... as if the Holy Spirit is to be called upon and received again & again & again for all kinds of sensational signs in the flesh.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Do they not fall backwards? Do they not lose self control? Not all the time? Well, Jesus still say... He is the only way to come to the Father for anything; not to the "holy Spirit" not to a Charismatic Church or even a Catholic Church.. not to a special couple as if you can get closer to the Lord by way of them.

Jesus Christ is the only way we can come to God the father by because He is the Bridegroom.

Just think of all believers that are out to the market seeking to be filled with oil ( Holy Spirit ) and missing the Bridegroom when He comes while the ones waiting for Him are filled for why they do not seek to be filled again and thus ready to go when the Bridegroom comes.

Believers need to narrow the way back to the straight gate or else risk being left behind for committing spiritual adultery.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

 

[shnarkle]

Keep trusting Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd & Friend because attributing anything to a couple or how it was done, should be proved or reproved by scripture with Him.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

You may be making an assumption that otherwise had happened by the Lord's hand at some other time & place that you were unaware of.

Look at how that experience leads you to testify of. Look at how it can mislead believers to going to them rather than to Jesus Christ.

I know you gave credit to the Lord but you seem to be crediting a certain way for the Lord to do His work in your life, but it sounded like you were giving them the credit and that believers should look for that kind of a situation & couple to get an answer to prayers.

And you were giving this testimony to explain why you are Charismatic. See what I mean?

I do not doubt the Lord helped you, but when credit goes somewhere else and why you are Charismatic, that is not giving the Lord the credit.

I believe the Lord had helped you. I am just asking you to take pause & to discern that with Him as to how & when He really had helped you.

I can continue to discern that event with Him by the scripture as not of Him for how the woman had spoken, but it is better that you do it with Him. It is the reason why I believe you should reconsider when and how the Lord had helped you. It wasn't them or how they did it.

I think the thing you may be missing out on here is the fact that we see examples throughout the bible where the exact same thing happens. I read his testimony, and didn't get anything near what you are insinuating at all. We don't all come to Christ in the same way. We don't all have the same gifts. The body is not made up of the exact same members, but a many membered body. We don't all have the same background, or the same problems, nor are they all dealt with the exact same way. One doesn't deal with a tumor the same way they would when lancing a zit.

Here's what I think is the key statement in the OP:

"The prophetic words they spoke did not address my sins or any demons or bondages. They did, however, use words that I only use in my prayer life with God."

Compare that to this: "7And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

And who can forget about this: " But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly"

The testimony presented in the OP is a powerful manifestation of the gospel message.

 

[Hark]

I think the thing you may be missing out on here is the fact that we see examples throughout the bible where the exact same thing happens. I read his testimony, and didn't get anything near what you are insinuating at all. We don't all come to Christ in the same way. We don't all have the same gifts. The body is not made up of the exact same members, but a many membered body. We don't all have the same background, or the same problems, nor are they all dealt with the exact same way. One doesn't deal with a tumor the same way they would when lancing a zit.

Here's what I think is the key statement in the OP:

"The prophetic words they spoke did not address my sins or any demons or bondages. They did, however, use words that I only use in my prayer life with God."

Compare that to this: "7And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

And who can forget about this: " But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly"

The testimony presented in the OP is a powerful manifestation of the gospel message.

@squirrelyguy @cjab @RiJoRi

Being how it is a testimony for why he is Charismatic, should be noted here. Since he felt no manifestation there, how is he to know the Lord did not heal him or deliver him from his sins elsewhere? But this encounter would mislead him into thinking by the Charismatic Church and by those couple is the credit for the Lord's ministry. He stated that reason for pause about not feeling any manifestation, for why I believe he should continue to lean on the Lord Jesus Christ, trusting Him for discernment on that matter.

There are apostate movements of what they deem to be the Holy Spirit, but it is not. "Slain in the spirit" holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, Ernest Angeley's Heling Crusade where he would announce the coming of the Holy Spirit to fall on believers for a sign, wonder, or miracle of healing, and even the apostate calling of another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues which never comes with interpretation and so assumed for private use.... these are all rudiments found in the world for climbing up another way instead of coming to Jesus Christ. When they point to coming to or seeking after the Holy Spirit when He is already in them, that is the same as chasing after other gods. Jesus is the Bridegroom for why we should cling to Him, and not depart from Him to climb up another way to God the Father.

The falsehood that saved believers can receive what they claim to be the Holy Spirit again and again and again after a sensational signs in the flesh is the work of the spirits of the antichrist whereas the real indwelling Holy Spirit would never lead a believer to chase after Himself for a sign in receiving Him again and again and again. This is nothing more than calling them to hasten after other "gods" & thus denying the Lord that bought them when the Holy Spirit is in us always as our seal of adoption..

Deuteronomy 13:1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

There is only one drink of the One Spirit by How we were all baptized by at our salvation when we first believed the gospel for why believers should not be seeking a manifestation of feeling a supernatural phenomenon coming over them later in life at all..

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

It is when believers believe another spirit coming over them later in life that seduce them to chase after them for a sign, is committing adultery..

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

So while saved believers fail to see this as departing from the Bridegroom for why they are out to the market seeking to be filled with oil, they run the risk of being left behind like the foolish virgins, even though they may die & be with the Lord in Heaven after the rapture, they shall await their resurrection as vessels unto dishonor in His House testifying to the power of God in salvation for why those astray are still in His House.

 

[Hark]

Supernatural Healing Part 2: The Cult of Spirit Healing Check this link for a report on how the world was in early church days.

@squirrelyguy @RiJoRi @cjab @shnarkle

The miraculous can be done by other supernatural ways for why it is an iniquity t seek what they claim to be of the Holy Spirit when it is not.

When you consider the role of the Holy Spirit is to testify of the Son thru us ( John 15:26-27 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) then you can know that the spirits of the antichrist is to take the spotlight away from the Son in worship, fellowship, and prayer to chasing after them for a sign.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

That is testifying to when we had been saved since the Father sent the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Spirit for believing in Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit will testify of the Son thru us.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Antichrist means instead of Christ or to be more precise instead of the Son since Jesus is the Christ. Those led by the Spirit of God would not be pointing to some spirit visiting the place with signs & wonders as if that is the Holy Spirit. So the spirits of the antichrist are seducing spirits that seeks to lure saved believers away into chasing after them to receive by a sign.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

So to seek after the Holy Spirit in the same way sinners seek after spirits by seeing them when receiving them by signs is not of Him at all.

Cling to the Bridegroom. Do not seek after Him through a church, a prophetic couple or what they deem to be the holy Spirit moving here or there when He has been in you since you had been saved when you first believed at the calling of the gospel of Jesus Christ the Lord.

 

[squirrelyguy]

Yesterday was the 10 year anniversary of my deliverance that I described in the OP. I've been thinking about it all week. I still can't get over the fact that it happened.

 

[Gary Mac]

Over 8 years ago I received a prophetic word from a couple that is engaged in full-time prophetic ministry (they travel the country doing it). I was invited to a friend's house where the couple would be staying, along with a number of other mutual friends. This couple knew none of us before that evening, except for the hostess.

My friend simply gave this couple our names in advance so they could pray over us by name before the meeting. Then they went around the room and spoke over us one-by-one (and recorded what they said). The prophetic exchanges were between 5 and 10 minutes each. I still have my recording.

When they had finished with everybody but me, the husband thanked everyone for being there and basically began to wrap up the evening...and everyone looked at me and pointed, and he looked puzzled and asked the hostess if she had submitted my name in advance. She said she had. Then he thought for a moment, started his recording device, and asked if they could prophesy over me. Of course I said yes.

The prophetic words they spoke did not address my sins or any demons or bondages. They did, however, use words that I only use in my prayer life with God.

I struggled with depression for most of my life. I'm not talking about the situational, I've-had-a-bad-day type of depression either. Anyone who has struggled with an abiding sense of depression knows what I'm talking about...it follows you and torments you no matter how good your life may be. I realized within a few months afterwards that the abiding sense of depression had left me. Nothing in their prophecy directly addressed depression. They simply spoke the words they were given, and the depression left.

Also, I struggled with pornography for some years until that day. I tried the legalistic stuff such as cutting off internet access, forcing myself to read the Bible more, everything that people typically advise you to do (along with getting an accountability partner) when dealing with that particular temptation. Nothing ever really worked. I would go through phases where I wouldn't look at it, but the temptation was present on a fairly regular basis...and when I would give in, I would battle day and night for at least a week to not indulge the temptation again. But within a few weeks of their prophesy (which did not address this issue at all), I realized that I didn't have any desire to look at porn. It was as if someone had flipped a switch inside of me. The desire was gone, and in the 8 years since then I have not looked at porn even once. The last time I looked at it was a week before that day. The thought of looking at that stuff is utterly profane and disgusting to me now, and this feeling of disgust is like a permanent shroud over me that keeps all temptation away. It's the sort of thing I had always prayed for and hoped God would do for me!

I don't know if anyone has ever said they experienced deliverance as a result of being prophesied over, but I believe I experienced it!

One caveat that may matter: when it was her turn to speak to me, the wife at one point uttered a few words in a strange tongue, mid-sentence, and then finished her original thought in English. Perhaps this tongue she spoke were words of deliverance, commanding demons to leave me? I don't know. Nobody offered an interpretation, and I didn't manifest in any discernible way after she said it.

One thing I have learned in my over 50 years trusting God is, when I try of myself to change, I failed miserably every time. About 25 years years ago after about 25 years of trying, I finally repented of myself in trying, and gave it all over to God for Him to deal with it in me. After that my problems, desires, lusts of the flesh dissipated when I learned of what Jesus spoke of in himself when he to came to God in Matt 3:16 and let Him open in him who He is and all of His heaven in that man, And when we read of the before and after Matt 3:16, his own desires changed from his to Gods desires and made those statements himself about it.

That is the only way way one cane become free from selfish desires it with that same renewing of mind that Jesus receieved in Matt 3:16.

Read what he said after Matt 3:16 the change in his life and not before.


John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Joihn 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

 

[Melzine89]

To be honest, I don't think biblical miracles happen today. Jesus did things that happened instantly and it wasn't just internal things like cancer or sickness or pain. It was something that could be seen and something that was instant, it never says anything about Jesus healing a lepper in minutes or seconds. Miracles and apostolic gifts don't exist anymore, if you're really hearing Gods voice or seeing angels you would be terrified and be able to describe God's voice.

 

[Melzine89]

Also speaking in tongues isn't gibberish, it's the ability to speak a language you've never spoken before for example, if I've never learned how to speak Korean and I am witnessing to someone from Korea and i start speaking the language never doing it before, im speaking in real tongues.