No they don't
My Weird Relationship with Catholicism
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Bonnie
Super Member
I agree.
Bonnie
Super Member
"Ulsterior Motives"?and then there is J.R.R. Tolkien who helped C.S. Lewis in his conversion to Christianity.... if it weren't for 'Ulsterior Motives' he would have gone all the way to Catholicism!
A new day
Super Member
"The Ulsterior Motive" is the title of an unpublished essay by J.R.R. Tolkien written in 1964.
Stella1000
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Because Lewis was from Ulster and a thoroughly orange family and culture, becoming Catholic would result in broken relationships. The anti Catholicism was that strong. When Tolkien's wife converted to Catholicism her family cut her off completely. It was a big deterrent.
Yep and the anti Protestant was that strong in Northern Ireland as well.
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and Arch says
Arch Stanton said:
If you were an early Christian in the year AD 42, you would have the Church to follow... no Bible. The Church - The pillar and foundation of [the] truth.... the wisdom of God is made known through her.
1 Tim 3:15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF [THE] TRUTH
Eph 3:10 so that the manifold WISDOM of God might now be made known THROUGH the CHURCH to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the RULE OVER YOU, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Lk 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to ME. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.
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arch;
how many times do we have to go over this with you ???????
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Arch Stanton said:
If you were an early Christian in the year AD 42, you would have the Church to follow... no Bible. The Church - The pillar and foundation of [the] truth.... the wisdom of God is made known through her.
1 Tim 3:15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF [THE] TRUTH
Eph 3:10 so that the manifold WISDOM of God might now be made known THROUGH the CHURCH to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
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wrong church there Arch
Arch;
the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
the principalities and authorities in the heavens.,
the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
wrong church there Arch
Paul, nor Hebrews wasn't speaking of the Evil tree of Romans ch.11
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and Arch says
Arch Stanton said:
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the RULE OVER YOU, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
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once again there Arch;
It wasn't speaking of the "Sodomite" teachers of the RCC
and the wrong Teachers there Arch
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and Arch says
Arch Stanton said:
Lk 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to ME. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.
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Arch;
Christ said that about
"Those he sent," not the minions of Satan
False Apostles," that Came down from Jerusalem"
Arch Stanton said:
If you were an early Christian in the year AD 42, you would have the Church to follow... no Bible. The Church - The pillar and foundation of [the] truth.... the wisdom of God is made known through her.
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that they did, that they did;
and also the Scriptures,
have you never read ????
just how do you thgink the Breans understood the words of Paul ???
and how the 1st day Church
"tried the False Apostles"
Arch;
What did you ever do, to get sucked into
believing all the deceptions of Satan and his minions
???????
and "Home to Rome" you went
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and Arch says
Arch Stanton said:
If you were an early Christian in the year AD 42, you would have the Church to follow... no Bible. The Church - The pillar and foundation of [the] truth.... the wisdom of God is made known through her.
1 Tim 3:15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF [THE] TRUTH
Eph 3:10 so that the manifold WISDOM of God might now be made known THROUGH the CHURCH to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the RULE OVER YOU, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Lk 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to ME. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.
========================================end Arch post
arch;
how many times do we have to go over this with you ???????
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Arch Stanton said:
If you were an early Christian in the year AD 42, you would have the Church to follow... no Bible. The Church - The pillar and foundation of [the] truth.... the wisdom of God is made known through her.
1 Tim 3:15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF [THE] TRUTH
Eph 3:10 so that the manifold WISDOM of God might now be made known THROUGH the CHURCH to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
====================
wrong church there Arch
Hebrews 12:22
mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
Arch;
the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
the principalities and authorities in the heavens.,
the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
wrong church there Arch
Paul, nor Hebrews wasn't speaking of the Evil tree of Romans ch.11
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and Arch says
Arch Stanton said:
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the RULE OVER YOU, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
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once again there Arch;
It wasn't speaking of the "Sodomite" teachers of the RCC
And of the angels he saith,
Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
.
Are they not all ministering spirits,
sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
wrong Church again,and the wrong Teachers there Arch
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and Arch says
Arch Stanton said:
Lk 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to ME. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.
========================================end Arch post
Arch;
Christ said that about
"Those he sent," not the minions of Satan
False Apostles," that Came down from Jerusalem"
Arch Stanton said:
If you were an early Christian in the year AD 42, you would have the Church to follow... no Bible. The Church - The pillar and foundation of [the] truth.... the wisdom of God is made known through her.
========================= end Arch post
that they did, that they did;
and also the Scriptures,
have you never read ????
just how do you thgink the Breans understood the words of Paul ???
and how the 1st day Church
"tried the False Apostles"
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus;
thou hast tried them which say they are apostles,
and are not, and hast found them liars:
Arch;
What did you ever do, to get sucked into
believing all the deceptions of Satan and his minions
???????
and "Home to Rome" you went
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Arch Stanton
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You keep saying 'wrong church' but don't tell Catholics which physical church existed throughout the centuries.
Theo1689
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That's because it's off-topic for this forum.
Since you can't prove that your church is the true church, we've completed our mission.
Arch Stanton
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ok to tell Catholics they weren't the first church but give no evidence.... GOT IT
Theo1689
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ok to tell Catholics they weren't the first church but give no evidence.... GOT IT
Okay to tell Protestants the Catholic church allegedly WAS the first church but give no evidence.
GOT IT.
When are you going to learn that trying to shift the burden of proof never works?
Besides, we've proven up, down, and sideways that the Romanist church is not Christ's church, because of all the false doctrines it teaches, the true doctrines it rejections, and the corruption in the clergy.
Arch Stanton
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You have seen it for years.... even some protestants think the Catholic Church was the first, they just believe we fell into error on the way
Theo1689
Well-known member
Wrong.
They never said "the Catholic Church" was the first.
You don't read so good...
Arch Stanton
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Are you not aware of the differing views towards the Catholic Church?
Theo1689
Well-known member
Are you admitting you misrepresented the posters, since they did not "admit" that the "Catholic church" was the original church?
Arch Stanton
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some say we were and then fell into error
some say we started with Constantine
Theo1689
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You falsely claimed some posters in this forum allegedly "admitted" that the original church was "the Catholic church".
You were wrong.
Are you going to admit your error?
Or are you going to provide quotes supporting your false claim?
Or are you going to continue spewing worthless rhetoric to try to cover up your false claim?
Arch Stanton
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Theo1689
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You made a false claim.
You refuse to support it with a linked quote, as CARM rules require.
Arch Stanton
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You are wrong... you have no idea what each person on the Catholicism board thinks. I was in an conversation with a poster who said we fell into error but were in the 1st century. YOU ARE WRONG!!!