Mysterious Ruins

DrDavidT

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Not many people know about them but there are plenty in existence around the world. Of course, the secular scientists, archaeologist or researcher does not get to the truth because all ancient manuscripts describing those site were lost in Noah's flood.

Then the Egyptian pyramids and Sphinx were probably constructed during the pre flood world not by the Egyptians
 

The Pixie

Member
Interesting.

Can you explain why these sites are at the top of the geological layer? The usual Flood geology says that the entire geological column was laid down during the flood (eg here). That would imply that any structures built before the flood would be underneath numerous layers of rock. And yet the pyramids are clearly on top of the rocks! How can that be?
 

DrDavidT

Member
Science cannot see into the past. It is hard to say with any certainty how those layers were laid down. Then this does not mean that the geological layers were laid down in a uniform manner around the world. We know that all of the floodwaters did not disappear when the flood was over. Then the Sahara Desert is coughing up its pieces of evidence to support my statements.
 
The pyramids were not built pre-flood. We know that the pyramids are not empty. They are filled with mummies, tombs, artifacts, and etc. We also know how things get damaged when submerged underwater, what more salty seawater for a short period of time. But we don't see this. There's no water damage at all.
 

DrDavidT

Member
So you believe the Egyptologists who have a personal stake in how the pyramids are viewed. If you read Schoch and West you will be pointed to the water damage And after 3000 years or so, do you really think the damage would remain?
 

The Pixie

Member
Science cannot see into the past. It is hard to say with any certainty how those layers were laid down. Then this does not mean that the geological layers were laid down in a uniform manner around the world. We know that all of the floodwaters did not disappear when the flood was over. Then the Sahara Desert is coughing up its pieces of evidence to support my statements.
Translation: We cannot be certain, therefore I get to make up any nonsense and can convince myself it is true.

What we can say for certain is that the layers were laid down before the pyramids were built, because the pyramids were built on top of them. You need to propose a plausible scenario for how that might happen, or your claim will be rejected as disproven by the evidence.
 

DrDavidT

Member
Translation: We cannot be certain, therefore I get to make up any nonsense and can convince myself it is true.

What we can say for certain is that the layers were laid down before the pyramids were built, because the pyramids were built on top of them. You need to propose a plausible scenario for how that might happen, or your claim will be rejected as disproven by the evidence.
Again do not change my words. I do not have to do anything. you are the one making the claim they were built after the flood, you need to prove it.
Oh and if you try to change my words again I will not respond
 

Tiburon

Member
Why would you believe fallible human beings who do not have the spirit of truth nor know what took place in the past?
All we have is fallible human beings. I'll accept their claims if the evidence appears to back it up. If you can back up an alternative theory then by all means do so.
 

Tiburon

Member
Science cannot see into the past. It is hard to say with any certainty how those layers were laid down. Then this does not mean that the geological layers were laid down in a uniform manner around the world. We know that all of the floodwaters did not disappear when the flood was over. Then the Sahara Desert is coughing up its pieces of evidence to support my statements.
Creationists would say otherwise They believe they have certainty how those layers were laid down. What are these pieces of evidence in the Sahara?
 
Why would you believe fallible human beings who do not have the spirit of truth nor know what took place in the past?

Bro, it's just a conspiracy theory. I too believed that the pyramids were built pre-flood and the Anunakis engineered it, Lol. But, careful analysis will reveal otherwise. My problem was I listened to these so-called "Dr/ Phd" or any self-glorifying titles without verifying what they say. I figured that if he is a doctor or has a Phd next to his name, he should be respected or trusted because he is an authority figure. We can't question him because he knows more than you and you become his student. I fell into this trap and got hoodwinked. It's just a marketing gimmick to sell their books. People can fake Phd / Dr. titles especially authors of such books like Dr. Dino. Lol

I even emailed Zacharia Sitchin, ahem *Dr* * (lol) to point an error about his "personal" translation of the cuneiform tablets, but I was too late because he passed away. It could be an interesting discussion with him. Trust me, I love this type of alternative stories, but I'm also a skeptic. I question everything if it leads me to scratch my head.

Don't be fooled by fake intellectuals with a doctor or Phd. in their names. Most of them aren't qualified or have graduated from a university located on their farm. Lol
 

J regia

Member
But the KJV and the Hebrew bible clearly say that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their animals was only 15 cubits high, and drained away like any other similar flood before and since, and had no effect on a nearby olive tree from which Noah's pet bird plucked a leaf from. Which is why the bible says that two of Noah's brothers weren't drowned since Jabal was living in a tent outside the flooded area and Jubal was playing music (Gen 4:20-21) while their grandparents and widowed mother were drowned along with most of their family (Gen 5:24-32).

You know it makes sense
 
But the KJV and the Hebrew bible clearly say that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their animals was only 15 cubits high, and drained away like any other similar flood before and since, and had no effect on a nearby olive tree from which Noah's pet bird plucked a leaf from. Which is why the bible says that two of Noah's brothers weren't drowned since Jabal was living in a tent outside the flooded area and Jubal was playing music (Gen 4:20-21) while their grandparents and widowed mother were drowned along with most of their family (Gen 5:24-32).

You know it makes sense

I give you an "F" for failing your theology class. Lol
 

J regia

Member
I give you an "F" for failing your theology class. Lol
Doesn't change the fact that the KJV clearly says that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family was only 15 cubits high, which is why it had no effect on a nearby olive tree growing outside the flooded area.

Which is why neither Jabal or Jubal were drowned, given the bible says that they are the fathers of all the tent dwellers and all musicians (Gen 4:20-21), whereas their brother, Noah, was only a boat builder.

Which is why kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east despite the dishonest claims by those who misinterpret that story.

Or don't you believe what the bible actually says?
 

DrDavidT

Member
Bro, it's just a conspiracy theory. I too believed that the pyramids were built pre-flood and the Anunakis engineered it, Lol. But, careful analysis will reveal otherwise. My problem was I listened to these so-called "Dr/ Phd" or any self-glorifying titles without verifying what they say. I figured that if he is a doctor or has a Phd next to his name, he should be respected or trusted because he is an authority figure. We can't question him because he knows more than you and you become his student. I fell into this trap and got hoodwinked. It's just a marketing gimmick to sell their books. People can fake Phd / Dr. titles especially authors of such books like Dr. Dino. Lol

I even emailed Zacharia Sitchin, ahem *Dr* * (lol) to point an error about his "personal" translation of the cuneiform tablets, but I was too late because he passed away. It could be an interesting discussion with him. Trust me, I love this type of alternative stories, but I'm also a skeptic. I question everything if it leads me to scratch my head.

Don't be fooled by fake intellectuals with a doctor or Phd. in their names. Most of them aren't qualified or have graduated from a university located on their farm. Lol
The pre-flood world civilization built them and they are evidence for the flood and that pre-flood society. Yes, Dr. Dino is a bit weird and I listened to his seminar which was not as good as he thought it was. But I have investigated the non-scientific evidence for Noah's Flood and only used the pyramids as an example.

We could use Gobleki Tepe, the sunken Indian city, the sunken Turkish villages in the Black Sea, and more to show that the flood took place. There are just too many of them to ignore and dismiss.

All we have is fallible human beings. I'll accept their claims if the evidence appears to back it up. If you can back up an alternative theory then by all means do so.
No, we have the Spirit of Truth if you are a believer. We can get to the truth if you want to. The Saraha is filled with sea creatures whose fossils are being dug up right now. Besides the mysterious ruins, I talk about these in one of my books listed in my profile.
 

The Pixie

Member
Again do not change my words. I do not have to do anything. you are the one making the claim they were built after the flood, you need to prove it.
Oh and if you try to change my words again I will not respond
You are the one making the claim they were built before the flood. Remember saying this?

"The pre-flood world civilization built them"

Or do you take the view that only people who disagree with you have to support their claims; that rule does not apply to you?

According to your forum name you have a Ph.D.; why don't you use it?
 

DrDavidT

Member
You are the one making the claim they were built before the flood. Remember saying this?

"The pre-flood world civilization built them"

Or do you take the view that only people who disagree with you have to support their claims; that rule does not apply to you?

According to your forum name you have a Ph.D.; why don't you use it?
One, there is no post flood civilization that would be capable of building those structures.
Two, there is no ancient post flood civilization that records building those structures
Three, the testimony of at least one ancient society states that when their ancestors came to the land the buildings were already there
Four, no ancient tools or plans have been found for those structures and NO real calamity has been claimed to have destroyed them (except the flood)
Five, There are more doctorate degrees than a PhD it is best you do not assume anything or try to interpret my words. You keep tryiing to change my words to fit your narrative, stop doing that
 

Tiburon

Member
One, there is no post flood civilization that would be capable of building those structures.
Two, there is no ancient post flood civilization that records building those structures
Three, the testimony of at least one ancient society states that when their ancestors came to the land the buildings were already there
Four, no ancient tools or plans have been found for those structures and NO real calamity has been claimed to have destroyed them (except the flood)
Five, There are more doctorate degrees than a PhD it is best you do not assume anything or try to interpret my words. You keep tryiing to change my words to fit your narrative, stop doing that
No there was no post flood civilization that could build them because there was no flood. Can you provide the testimony of this ancient civilization?
 

The Pixie

Member
One, there is no post flood civilization that would be capable of building those structures.
Two, there is no ancient post flood civilization that records building those structures
The Egyptians. Although here are various proposed chronologies, they all have a continuous (in some cases overlapping) series of Pharaohs up to the sixth century BC.

Three, the testimony of at least one ancient society states that when their ancestors came to the land the buildings were already there
Well that is suitably vague. Is this how you got your doctorate?

When the ancient Romans conquered Egypt, the pyramids were already old. But they were still built by the Egyptians. So your claim, unsubstantiated though it is, is still compatible with the pyramids being built by the Egyptians.

Four, no ancient tools or plans have been found for those structures and NO real calamity has been claimed to have destroyed them (except the flood)
Paper and papyrus do not need a flood to get destroyed over the course of 3000 years. The oldest paper we have dates to around 150 BC. There are older examples of papyrus, but they are very rare. We would not expect to find plans of the pyramids if they were built by the Egyptians.

As for tools, do you ever DIY around your house? Do you leave the tools where you did the job? Or do you put them away afterwards?

These were great monuments; why would you expect the discarded tools to be left lying around the tomb of the Pharaoh? Again, this is what we would expect if they were built by the Egyptians.

Five, There are more doctorate degrees than a PhD it is best you do not assume anything or try to interpret my words.
Okay. What is yours? I assume it is a doctor that did not require you to present a thesis, given your reluctance to support your claims.

You keep tryiing to change my words to fit your narrative, stop doing that
You are insistent on avoiding supporting your nonsense. I am calling you on it. I appreciate that is not comfortable for you.
 
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