Mysterious Ruins

J regia

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Trees can be submerged underwater for a period of time without losing their leaves. The water subsided revealing the olive tree with its leaves still intact.

Scientists uncover a 60,000-year-old forest underwater and think its preserved trees https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/us/ancient-underwater-forest-alabama-scn-trnd/index.html ? I give you an "F" again for failing your science class. Lol I can't discuss with you further because you failed in the comprehension department. Lol Bye.
Obviously you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

As a retired plant physiologist and orchardist I can assure you that an olive tree cannot survive being completely submerged for weeks as you hypothesize.

If you believe otherwise then present your scientific evidence and scientific publications to support your claims. But either way, it still doesn't change the fact that the KJV clearly says that the flood depth was only 15 cubits and drained away like every other flood. And it's your choice if you don't believe what the bible actually says and just make up your own silly fantasies about the ocean levels magically rising at the rate of 150 mm per minute for 40 days and covering Mt Everest with an extra 4.5 billion cubic kilometres which then magically disappeared.

And none of that changes the fact that Gen 4 says that Jabal & Jubal and their families were obviously not drowned in that particular flood with most of Noah's family given that the bible says that they are the fathers of ALL musicians and tent dwellers and herders.
And it's your choice if you don't believe what the bible actually says.
 
Dude, where did you graduate?Lol

The verse says:

The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.

You said:

But either way, it still doesn't change the fact that the KJV clearly says that the flood depth was only 15 cubits ...

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The measurement was about 23 feet above the mountain peak. To make it simple to you, you submerge yourself in a pool until your feet touch the floor. From your head to the water surface above you is 23 feet. Did you get this, Mr. retired plant physiologist and orchardist? Lol

Sorry, I have to leave this discussion with you as my stomach really hurts from laughing. Lol
 

J regia

Well-known member
Dude, where did you graduate?Lol

The verse says:

The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.

You said:

But either way, it still doesn't change the fact that the KJV clearly says that the flood depth was only 15 cubits ...

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The measurement was about 23 feet above the mountain peak. To make it simple to you, you submerge yourself in a pool until your feet touch the floor. From your head to the water surface above you is 23 feet. Did you get this, Mr. retired plant physiologist and orchardist? Lol

Sorry, I have to leave this discussion with you as my stomach really hurts from laughing. Lol
Have you ever actually read the bible, and are you familiar with the English Language? Either way the KJV clearly says that the flood depth was only 15 cubits deep, which is why it didn't affect a nearby olive tree or Jabul & Jubal and their families. And it clearly doesn't say that the "mountains" were covered by 15 cubits. And it's your choice if you don't believe what the bible actually says and just make up your own fantasies.

Genesis 7:20 King James Version

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail: and the mountains were covered.

And I didn't get my PhD in plant physiology out of a cornflakes packet either.
 

J regia

Well-known member
Phd? You're a liar. LOL! You: Shows off glorious title to support his "conspiracy" theory. Me: Lmao!
None of your silly gobbledegook changes the fact that the KJV and the Hebrew bible both say that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family was only 15 cubits high, and why it had no effect on a nearby olive tree or two of Noah's brothers (Jabal and Jubal) and their families since they were living outside the flooded area.
And that's your choice if you don't believe what the bible actually says.
 

Hypatia_Alexandria

Active member
How do you know?

The point of that verse (Gen. 8:11) is for Noah to know whether the waters have subsided. The dove came in with an olive leaf from an olive tree it plucked from. The olive tree doesn't need to be alive to still have its leaves intact. Perhaps the leaf is already yellowed or browned. It doesn't matter. Noah was not interested in whether the leaf or the tree is dead or not. He is only interested to know whether the water has subsided.


Those trees are not still living.

It doesn't matter. The life of the tree wasn't the point.
 

J regia

Well-known member
The point of that verse (Gen. 8:11) is for Noah to know whether the waters have subsided. The dove came in with an olive leaf from an olive tree it plucked from. The olive tree doesn't need to be alive to still have its leaves intact. Perhaps the leaf is already yellowed or browned. It doesn't matter. Noah was not interested in whether the leaf or the tree is dead or not. He is only interested to know whether the water has subsided.

It doesn't matter. The life of the tree wasn't the point.
Do you have any actual evidence to support your hypothesis that about 4000 years ago the ocean levels magically rose at the rate of six inches per minute for 40 days. And if so, how did the extra 4.5 billion cubic kilometres of water magically disappear and where did it disappear to, given there is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometres of water on Earth?
And how did Noah measure the depth of water above Mt Everest?
And what is your evidence to support your hypothesis that kangaroos and sloths are native to the middle east
 
Do you have any actual evidence to support your hypothesis that about 4000 years ago the ocean levels magically rose at the rate of six inches per minute for 40 days. And if so, how did the extra 4.5 billion cubic kilometres of water magically disappear and where did it disappear to, given there is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometres of water on Earth?
And how did Noah measure the depth of water above Mt Everest?
And what is your evidence to support your hypothesis that kangaroos and sloths are native to the middle east

Promise me first that you won't repeat and I will reply this. Agreed?(y)
 

J regia

Well-known member
Promise me first that you won't repeat and I will reply this. Agreed?(y)
In other words you have no evidence to support your hypotheses that about 4000 years ago the ocean level was 15 cubits higher than Mt Everest and that sloths and kangaroos are native to the middle east.
 

Tiburon

Member
The point of that verse (Gen. 8:11) is for Noah to know whether the waters have subsided. The dove came in with an olive leaf from an olive tree it plucked from. The olive tree doesn't need to be alive to still have its leaves intact. Perhaps the leaf is already yellowed or browned. It doesn't matter. Noah was not interested in whether the leaf or the tree is dead or not. He is only interested to know whether the water has subsided.




It doesn't matter. The life of the tree wasn't the point.
It kind of does matter. Otherwise the leaves could have just been floating or attached to a tree that was floating. Only if they were green would it indicate that the tree was emerged and thriving again.
 

Hypatia_Alexandria

Active member
The point of that verse (Gen. 8:11) is for Noah to know whether the waters have subsided. The dove came in with an olive leaf from an olive tree it plucked from. The olive tree doesn't need to be alive to still have its leaves intact. Perhaps the leaf is already yellowed or browned. It doesn't matter. Noah was not interested in whether the leaf or the tree is dead or not. He is only interested to know whether the water has subsided.




It doesn't matter. The life of the tree wasn't the point.
Again, how do you know and how do you arrive at your conclusions?
 

En Hakkore

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But the KJV and the Hebrew bible clearly say that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their animals was only 15 cubits high, and drained away like any other similar flood before and since, and had no effect on a nearby olive tree from which Noah's pet bird plucked a leaf from. Which is why the bible says that two of Noah's brothers weren't drowned since Jabal was living in a tent outside the flooded area and Jubal was playing music (Gen 4:20-21) while their grandparents and widowed mother were drowned along with most of their family (Gen 5:24-32).
Your synchronic reading of the biblical text is rather selective. For example, you claim "the flood...was only 15 cubits high," but omit that this is qualified in 7:19-20 to have been the depth of the water above the mountains, "all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered" by the flood waters. It is clear that the author of this section envisions a flood that wiped out all living creatures on the earth except for those who entered the ark. It is equally clear that the author of Gen 4:19-22 does not know of or rejects this flood story, tracing the origins of animal husbandry, the arts and industry back to these descendants of Cain. Genesis is an aggregate of disparate origin traditions. You are certainly welcome to read them synchronically, but the selectivity necessary to iron out some (but by no means all) of the wrinkles in the final form of the text will not be convincing to those who prefer diachronic readings...

Kind regards,
Jonathan
 
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