Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines

[CrowCross]

I took the deaths in the one week the article talked about--which I also quoted on here--and divided by 7. And got an average of 10.9 deaths per day during that one specific week.

So, no hyping the news--that is NN'S and GP's schtick.

I don't care what the article says Bonnie....I went to worldometer and used actual numbers...not hype numbers presented by your articles.

 

[CrowCross]

The propensity of this administration to lie about everything is off the charts. This isn't Trump style hyperbole, these are out in and out examples of dishonesty intending to mislead people. You have Joe Biden telling George Stephanopoulos that they're not gonna leave any Americans behind in Afghanistan, a week before they leave everybody behind in Afghanistan. They load planes full of people who simply want to get out of the country and leave all the people who helped us and the Americans, it's insane. Is there any area of credibility that this administration is not determined to completely decimate before ending their reign of terror?

Many are calling what Biden did....treason.

 

[ferengi]

And over 1600 failed to develop natural immunity today by choosing to become infected with Covid 19 instead of becoming vaccinated.

Prove it

 

[ferengi]

And that's their choice to become infected to develop a natural immunity or to increase the death toll, instead of becoming vaccinated.

Prove vaccines prevent covid 100%

 

[Bonnie]

I don't care what the article says Bonnie....I went to worldometer and used actual numbers...not hype numbers presented by your articles.

I am going by what the actual article had in it. I divided the number of deaths per day FOR THAT ONE WEEK ONLY, by 24..

But are you referring to this?

Coronavirus Update (Live): 119,763,864 Cases and 2,654,098 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

And this:

Florida COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Florida COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

If so, the article I linked to is talking ONLY about Florida during this one particular week--not for the entire month of August or even the entire pandemic:

© CHANDAN KHANNA/AFP via Getty Images Florida is averaging about 11 new COVID-19 deaths per hour, according to new data from The Miami Herald. Here, a patient waits for his treatment inside the Regeneron Clinic in Pembroke Pines on August 19.


As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, Florida is averaging just under 11 new deaths per hour, according to new data from The Miami Herald.

The Sunshine State averaged 262 additional COVID-19 deaths per day over the PAST week, equating to about 10.92 deaths per hour, the Herald reported Monday.

10.92 death per hour for JUST THAT ONE WEEK. 262 deaths PER DAY is the average for that ONE WEEK. NOT for the entire month or for the entire pandemic.

I hope you get it, now.

 

[inertia]

The reason the study is important is not that people should go out and get Covid in order to build theIr natural immunity. It is that we shouldn't have a public campaign to get people who have better immunity vaccinated when it's completely pointless and counterproductive as a public policy position. For example, some business out there is going to require 100% of their employees to get vaccinated, with a vaccine that until last week was experimental. Yet we still have no long-term data on any of these. Vaccines distributed to people who have better immunity than the vaccine provides could actually go to someone who would more likely benefit from it. If you have better immunity there is no reason for you to take any vaccine risk whatsoever, however negligible that risk might be.

Oh, as predicted the preprint was withdrawn.

“We’ve seen a pattern of people releasing information that’s not reliable,” says Hill. “It’s hard enough to do work on COVID and treatment without people distorting databases.”

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[Authentic Nouveau]

Nor intense pressure NOT to get vaccinated against covid-19, as Fenuay has pointed out.

More ultra left disagreement>

Medical outsiders.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Oh, as predicted the preprint was withdrawn.

“We’ve seen a pattern of people releasing information that’s not reliable,” says Hill. “It’s hard enough to do work on COVID and treatment without people distorting databases.”

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Hill is not a reliable source.
You are a medical outsider dependent on Fake News.

Your mumbling about distorting data bases and that is exactly what you support Mike Mann doing with his global warming crack pottery.

 

[Bonnie]

More ultra left disagreement>

Talking to yourself, since neither Fenuay or I am ultra left.

Medical outsiders.

Actually, Fenuay is NOT--she is a nurse--remember?

Sooooo... what are YOUR medical credentials again? IF you have the right to judge ours, then you yourself must have some medical credentials...right? So, what are they?

Oh, as predicted the preprint was withdrawn.

“We’ve seen a pattern of people releasing information that’s not reliable,” says Hill. “It’s hard enough to do work on COVID and treatment without people distorting databases.”

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Oh, this is the same one I reported on, a week or so ago, that got withdrawn due to plagiarisms and manipulating data, or something similar. This is more of what is in this link:

Ripple effects​

The paper’s irregularities came to light when Jack Lawrence, a master’s student at the University of London, was reading it for a class assignment and noticed that some phrases were identical to those in other published work. When he contacted researchers who specialize in detecting fraud in scientific publications, the group found other causes for concern, including dozens of patient records that seemed to be duplicates, inconsistencies between the raw data and the information in the paper, patients whose records indicate they died before the study’s start date, and numbers that seemed to be too consistent to have occurred by chance....

Reliable data needed​

The paper’s withdrawal is not the first scandal to dog studies of ivermectin and COVID-19. Hill thinks many of the other ivermectin trial papers that he has scanned are likely to be flawed or statistically biased. Many rely on small sample sizes or were not randomized or well controlled, he says. And in 2020, an observational study of the drug was withdrawn after scientists raised concerns about it and a few other papers using data by the company Surgisphere that investigated a range of repurposed drugs against COVID-19. “We’ve seen a pattern of people releasing information that’s not reliable,” says Hill. “It’s hard enough to do work on COVID and treatment without people distorting databases.”

So, it is now up to that large, controlled study going on in Oxford, England, to determine once and for all, if ivermectin is truly a good, effective treatment for covid-19. I wish I knew when the study is supposed to end.

 

[Harry Leggs]

I am going by what the actual article had in it. I divided the number of death FOR THAT ONE WEEK ONLY by 7.

But are you referring to this?

Coronavirus Update (Live): 119,763,864 Cases and 2,654,098 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

And this:

Florida COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Florida COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

If so, the article I linked to is talking ONLY about Florida during this one particular week--not for the entire month of August or even the entire pandemic:



10.92 death per hour for JUST THAT ONE WEEK. 262 deaths PER DAY is the average for that ONE WEEK. NOT for the entire month or for the entire pandemic.

I hope you get it, now.

Looked at your chart and the total death count is about .19% of the total population and the age and preexisting conditions is not stated for the USA.

 

[Bonnie]

Prove vaccines prevent covid 100%

No vaccine prevents a disease 100%, though polio and the smallpox vaccine come/came darn close.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Talking to yourself,

How often do you use that juvenile passive aggressive insult?

 

[Bonnie]

Looked at your chart and the total death count is about .19% of the total population and the age and preexisting conditions is not stated for the USA.

Okay, but the article was only about Florida and the hourly average number of deaths per day were for ONLY that one week. NOT for the entire pandemic, or total population of the USA. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Bonnie]

How often do you use that juvenile passive aggressive insult?

How often do you use the "juvenile, passive-aggressive" tactic of implying I am a "left-winger" when I have repeatedly stated on here THAT I AM NOT??

And where in heaven's name is it insulting to ask if you are talking TO yourself? I did NOT say talking ABOUT yourself, but TO yourself...do you see the difference?

 

[ferengi]

No vaccine prevents a disease 100%, though polio and the smallpox vaccine come/came darn close.

So why get vaccinated? I know of those who are vaccinated who got covid so bad they were in the ICU for 2 weeks and are still on supplemental oxygen. I know of deaths, Bells palsy, heart inflammation and total paralysis from the poison- why should I get vaccinated?

 

[Bonnie]

Hill is not a reliable source.

Oh? You know him personally? Because the article says this about him: "Andrew Hill, who studies repurposed drugs at the University of Liverpool, UK..."

You are a medical outsider dependent on Fake News.

The withdrawal of the article is NOT "fake news."

What are your medical credentials again?

Your mumbling about distorting data bases and that is exactly what you support Mike Mann doing with his global warming crack pottery.

Well, do notice the stuff I posted from the article I quoted from in post no. 209.

 

[Bonnie]

I counted up 7 days in a row...then divided by 7. I averaged. I fact checked your source and saw they were wrong. hyping the news.

PROVE it was wrong. Because in my book, 262 average deaths in one day divided by 24 = 10.9 deaths PER HOUR.

So why get vaccinated? I know of those who are vaccinated who got covid so bad they were in the ICU for 2 weeks and are still on supplemental oxygen. I know of deaths, Bells palsy, heart inflammation and total paralysis from the poison- why should I get vaccinated?

Because deaths from the covid virus are much, much more common, as are heart inflammation, lung disease, damage to other organs, etc.

I have read in the paper of at least one fully vaccinated woman who died from the disease--she had severe allergies, as did the rest of her family, and she was tested for covid 3 times, all negative. So....when her symptoms got worse, she figured it was just her allergies getting worse, but she was wrong. She wound up in the hospital and despite the best efforts of all involved, she died from the disease.

But most hospitals report that most of their covid patients have NOT been vaccinated.

I would rather take my chances with the vaccine, which was originally at least 90% + effective against the original alpha strain, and helps cut down on hospitalizations, than risk getting the disease and hope I am one of the ones who is only lightly infected and recovers completely--so I can have "natural" immunity. I cannot afford to get sick with it, not with my husband and his compromised immune system in the same house with me. He got his booster at the VA last week.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Okay, but the article was only about Florida and the hourly average number of deaths per day were for ONLY that one week. NOT for the entire pandemic, or total population of the USA. Why is that so hard to understand?

Trying so hard to disagree. Personal jabs????
You have no grad school stats credentials.

Still waiting on an explanation of electronic microscope.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

What are your medical credentials again?

We have a lot of atheeists on their board display a neurotic obsession with my credentials. Your sidekicks. lol

Never will you call them out for lying to my face about my Professional credentials. Looking for oppotunites to smear and discredit because you have no strong science credentials.

 

[CrowCross]

I am going by what the actual article had in it. I divided the number of deaths per day FOR THAT ONE WEEK ONLY, by 24..

But are you referring to this?

Coronavirus Update (Live): 119,763,864 Cases and 2,654,098 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

And this:

Florida COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Florida COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

If so, the article I linked to is talking ONLY about Florida during this one particular week--not for the entire month of August or even the entire pandemic:



10.92 death per hour for JUST THAT ONE WEEK. 262 deaths PER DAY is the average for that ONE WEEK. NOT for the entire month or for the entire pandemic.

I hope you get it, now.

You seem to be happy the deaths are that high.