Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines

[Authentic Nouveau]

I just fact checked it and found it to be false. Starting with Aug 22 and going through to Aug 28 I did the math and got 3.23 deaths per hour. Even at the last peak from Aug 9 - 15 there was 9 per hour.

One has to wonder why they're hyping this.

Considering 3-4 comorbidities on the average "covid" death.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

This may come as a shock to you but it's highly unlikely that every single person on the planet will need to gain immunity. There are some people who will simply never get it.

Now there is a great medical idea. Barriers to infection. If you breath thru your nose and do not wear a mask, most pathogens will not infect most people.

Nearly nobody will ever get gangrene on the lower intestines. The skin is a barrier, and when we do a laparotomy, we wear masks because an open patient doesn't have the barrier. 1 billion bacteria in a Democrates mouth. But barriers and stomach acid if they swallow bacteria.

My oral surgeon buddies, stuff a horse pill into the socket after extracting impacted molars. Tetracycline. Barrier is exposed.

 

[Nouveau]

In God we trust, all others must have data.

Harry, what that graph appears to be showing is that the 25% minority of unvaccinated Israelis are producing just as many (in fact even more) Covid cases by number as the 75% majority of vaccinated Israelis. If that's true then the vaccine is definitely working. Note also that of those case numbers, the unvaccinated are being hospitalized at a much greater rate. You should also evaluate your source.

 

[J regia]

Now there is a great medical idea. Barriers to infection. If you breath thru your nose and do not wear a mask, most pathogens will not infect most people.

So how do you know when a pathogen will infect a patient and you need to wear a mask? Or is that why you wore the mask for 10,000 hours?

Nearly nobody will ever get gangrene on the lower intestines. The skin is a barrier, and when we do a laparotomy, we wear masks because an open patient doesn't have the barrier. 1 billion bacteria in a Democrates mouth. But barriers and stomach acid if they swallow bacteria.

My oral surgeon buddies, stuff a horse pill into the socket after extracting impacted molars. Tetracycline. Barrier is exposed.

And how many laparotomies did you perform during the 10,000 hours that you wore the mask?
And do you leave the laparotomy cut open to avoid developing gangrene, or do you just stuff some horse pills in and suture it up?

And how many impacted molars did you extract during the 10,000 hours you wore the mask?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I am 67 did not get the vaccine and am doing fine. So is everybody else. As long as it is optional i opt out. Not needed since C-19 is not lethal and the overall survive rate is around 98%

And you have every right to reject taking it as no one should force you to take it, and that is not what I'm saying. But I'm living it and seeing it firsthand. Ppl coming in very ill from covid. I had it back in late October through early November and it took me almost two full months to get over it. I didn't experience any pain, nausea, vomiting, loss of taste and/or smell, but the fatigue was unreal. I felt like an 18 wheeler had ran over me and every wheel hit me. My oxygen was staying in the upper-80's to lower 90's but I did not, thankfully, have to go on the vent. I spent 8 nights at the hospital where I work with 6 of them being in ICU. And I was only 49 at the time, as I have since then hit the big 5-0.

Vaccinated must be two weeks complete after getting the final jab. That means a person got the final three days ago is still considered unvaccinated by the CDC. Sounds to me like they are running a for profit con. Unaccountable big pharma types raking in the billions on this and a bunch of gullible sheep living in fear of the boogieman under the bed. Big pharma kicks back to politicians who are panhandlers.

Well, I see these vaccines like armor during the medieval period. Armor did not guarantee they would not die in battle, but it was another layer of defense against those they were in battle with. If you don't want them, you shouldn't be forced to.

 

[Bonnie]

If you're actually interested, why don't you ask the families of the 1600+ why they died yesterday, and ask the families of the 661,000+ why they died?

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I wonder if certain posters will believe THIS graph and its statistics?

 

[Bonnie]

Still obsessed with my credentials.

And so are you with OURS, since you are forever pointing out that we are "medical outsiders." SO, in order for YOU to judge US, you yourself should be willing to give us YOUR credentials. IF you have no medical credentials, then you too are a "medical outsider" and have no right to judge us in this matter. Especially since most of us have admitted we have no medical credentials---which is why we quote from medical journals with people who DO have "medical credentials."

How rude. Personal obsessions are the left winger gateway to smears. lol.

So why are YOU so obsessed with our medical qualifications or lack thereof, which you so obsessively bring up all the time on here? Isn't THAT being "rude"? And isn't it rude to keep implying I am a left-winger when I most definitely am NOT, when I keep telling you so, but a conservative Christian, who is slightly to the right of center? Isn't THAT rude?

 

[Bonnie]

They were attacked by a bioweapon. That's why.

Covid-19 has approximately a 98% survival rate, and the Chinese unleashed it first on their own people, with no vaccine or any antidote for it....some "bioweapon"....

 

[Bonnie]

It is also nasty watching how ultra lefties DOWNPLAY deaths from the Shot clots. Snope Flakes in action.

Again, talking TO yourself? Since I am NOT a "leftie", ultra or otherwise....though I am left-handed.

As for deaths from clots, they are very rare and clots from the disease itself are far more common...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01408-4.pdf

Found this link embedded here:

What is the rate of blood clots for each covid-19 vaccine?

Concerns over blood clots have made many in the US more hesitant to get a shot, but how common are clots for each vaccine available? Our team took a look.

en.as.com

Medical outsiders with severe political bias.

What are YOUR medical credentials again, AN? Why are you so obsessed with the medical outsiders on here? We have admitted it, except for those few who actually DO have medical/scientific credentials on here--like Fenuay, Inertia, and Vibise.

So, what are YOUR credentials?

And YOU of course, have NO "severe political bias"--right??????

 

[Harry Leggs]

Well, I see these vaccines like armor during the medieval period.

I don't . https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-ro...e-shattered-scientific-consensus_3979206.html

 

[Bonnie]

Today (9/2/2021) using the Johns Hopkins University site, they display over a 28 day period:

View attachment 1784

So with 4,900 deaths over a 28 day period, there are: ~ 7.3 deaths per hour in that period of time

>> I = 4900;
>> J = 28;
>> K = 24;
>> L = (I/J)*(1/K);
>> L

L =

    7.2917

If they were "hyping" their data, they could have exaggerated a lot more.

For new cases/day only Alabama, Tennesee, and South Carolina are higher in the United States.

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Thanks, Inertia. The Miami Herald's article was referring to one specific week, where there was an average of 262 deaths from covid, which comes to 10.9 deaths PER HOUR.

This graph shows the death rate levelling off, so maybe there is hope. But I noted that more monoclonal antibodies are being given out now, in Florida, and they do indeed seem to shorten the disease, especially when given early on. But the problem, it seems to me, is there is really no way to predict who will go from mild to severe, in a matter of a few days. It is just such a crap shoot--healthy, active young adults with no health risks can get a mild case of the disease, which can then suddenly get much worse, while older adults with other health problems just get a mild disease, and never get worse and recover. Of course, adults over 60 in this country are much more likely to have been vaccinated, than the under 40 crowd.

There was an article in today's paper about using monoclonal antibodies more and more, to combat the disease, which shows quite a bit of promise. Special places that do only that are being set up in some cities.

 

[Bonnie]

Balshan is correct, AN--you DID say you spent an hour in a pathology lab, in that thread about the first post-mortem of a vaccinated person....I can link you to it, if you like. I did so before, when you didn't remember writing it.

Right here, post no. 7:

First postmortem study of vaccinated person.

The first part of this article talks about the findings of the study. This is not a scientific document. So don’t complain about that. You can look it up if that’s what you want. The second part gives the opinions of the host of the program. So don’t start whining that this is just someone’s...

forums.carm.org

I repeat, you are a medical outsider and don't have the credentials to discuss the port mortem.

So you want to disagree with me.
You can't restrain your urges to disagree.

I spent an hour in Pathology Department Tuesday. And you are an outsider.

Does this jog your memory?

 

[CrowCross]

f they were "hyping" their data, they could have exaggerated a lot more.

There is a point where you can call BS. They were called out and shown to be wrong using worldometer....and if they went any higher it would then be real obvious they're hyping the red state of Fla who's Gov is telling them to shove it.

They need this "pandemic" to succeed.

 

[CrowCross]

Covid-19 has approximately a 98% survival rate, and the Chinese unleashed it first on their own people, with no vaccine or any antidote for it....some "bioweapon"....

No body said it was a good bioweapon. Then again we haven't hit flu season.
Still people masked up and are rebreathing their CO2...people did lockdown and lost their businesses. People are being controlled by the passports in many situations. People are being forced to take the jab....the virus helped Biden steal the election

 

[Bonnie]

I went to Worldometer and looked up Fla.
Aug 22 thr

I went to Worldometer and looked up Fla.
Aug 22 through the 28th. The average was 77.7 per day. Divide that by 24 and you get 3.23 per hour.

I went there, too, but didn't see the 77.7 deaths per day. I know you cannot cut and paste pictures on here, but please give a link to where you saw this. Thanks.

I don't know anything about this Worldmeter, or how it gets its information.

But I did find this here;

Florida COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Florida COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Now, when I put my cursor over the last line on the right, under "Daily Death" a tiny window pops up with an orange diamond shape. I played around with it, putting both 3-day moving averages and 7-day averages on at the bottom, and for week ending Aug. 28, it shows a moving average of 152. But if you use the 3-day moving average for the same period, it is much higher.

If you set the graph only do the 7-day moving average, and put the cursor to the far right, you will see that the moving 7-day average varies for the week in question. I am not sure how the Miami Herald came up with its numbers, but maybe it took each 7-day average for that one week and averaged those. I don't know, but both of us may be misreading it. That cursor is darned hard to use for this, too--no wonder it is called a "cursor", because that is what I felt like doing, trying to manipulate the blasted thing....

But is this what you used?

But I put the cursor at the bottom of the line on the far right, and the death rate is dropping, thank the Good Lord. Maybe it is due to more monoclonal antibody treatments being used and made more available, as it does show some efficacy against the disease, in some studies.

Someone who is an expert in reading statistics and graphs needs to decipher this for us. Seems to me someone--Inertia or whateverman?--claimed on here to have some expertise in mathematics.

 

[CrowCross]

I went there, too, but didn't see the 77.7 deaths per day. I know you cannot cut and paste pictures on here, but please give a link to where you saw this. Thanks.

I don't know anything about this Worldmeter, or how it gets its information.

In went here (worldometer),,,for Fla.

The numbers I used were..
Aug 22....114 206
23....109 182
24....100 186
25....88 160
26....64 138
27....55 115
28...14 72.......average 151. or 6.3 per day. 11 per day is still high.

Those numbers have been added to since then in red.
According to the graph it appears the death spike is over or almost over.

Hopefully when the flu season starts the death will remain low.

 

[Harry Leggs]

No body said it was a good bioweapon. Then again we haven't hit flu season.
Still people masked up and are rebreathing their CO2...people did lockdown and lost their businesses. People are being controlled by the passports in many situations. People are being forced to take the jab....the virus helped Biden steal the election

Go to about the 26:40 mark and Malone talks about the spike floating in the blood which was not supposed to happen. They also address the spike breaking the blood-brain barrier. This guy is hard to write off since he is so accomplished.

 

[CrowCross]

Go to about the 26:40 mark and Malone talks about the spike floating in the blood which was not supposed to happen. They also address the spike breaking the blood-brain barrier. This guy is hard to write off since he is so accomplished.

I've seen him several times. But, they still blow off HIM...not the science he is presenting.

I suppose it's easier to demonize mRNA inventor Malone rather than what he is saying.

 

[Bonnie]

In went here (worldometer),,,for Fla.

The numbers I used were..
Aug 22....114 206
23....109 182
24....100 186
25....88 160
26....64 138
27....55 115
28...14 72.......average 151. or 6.3 per day. 11 per day is still high.

Those numbers have been added to since then in red.
According to the graph it appears the death spike is over or almost over.

Hopefully when the flu season starts the death will remain low.

Okay, but were these the moving 3-day or 7-day averages? I almost couldn't get the cursor to work, to see what deaths each day had. But again, these are MOVING averages. We may both be misinterpreting the data, because of that.

However you are correct that the death spike has dropped quite a bit, perhaps due to more monoclonal antibody treatments being made more readily available in Florida. I certainly hope so!

 

[inertia]

Go to about the 26:40 mark and Malone talks about the spike floating in the blood which was not supposed to happen. They also address the spike breaking the blood-brain barrier. This guy is hard to write off since he is so accomplished.

From Science: the transmembrane anchor region*

"...when a cell gets the effect of an mRNA nanoparticle or an adenovirus vector, it of course starts to express the Spike protein. But instead of that being assembled into more infectious viral particles, as would happen in a real coronavirus infection, this protein gets moved up to the surface of the cell, where it stays. That's where it's presented to the immune system, as an abnormal intruding protein on a cell surface. The Spike protein is not released to wander freely through the bloodstream by itself, because it has a transmembrane anchor region that (as the name implies) leaves it stuck."

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* About the author: "Derek Lowe, an Arkansan by birth, got his BA from Hendrix College and his PhD in organic chemistry from Duke before spending time in Germany on a Humboldt Fellowship on his post-doc. He’s worked for several major pharmaceutical companies since 1989 on drug discovery projects against schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, osteoporosis and other diseases."