Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines

Thistle

Thistle

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J regia said:
That's their choice if they want to catch covid to develop natural immunity or to increase the 657,863 death toll, instead of getting vaccinated.
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By the way, some people may have natural immunity that came from exposure to relatively harmless coronavirues similar to the common cold.
 
Harry Leggs

Harry Leggs

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inertia said:
From Science: the transmembrane anchor region*

"...when a cell gets the effect of an mRNA nanoparticle or an adenovirus vector, it of course starts to express the Spike protein. But instead of that being assembled into more infectious viral particles, as would happen in a real coronavirus infection, this protein gets moved up to the surface of the cell, where it stays. That's where it's presented to the immune system, as an abnormal intruding protein on a cell surface. The Spike protein is not released to wander freely through the bloodstream by itself, because it has a transmembrane anchor region that (as the name implies) leaves it stuck."

* About the author: "Derek Lowe, an Arkansan by birth, got his BA from Hendrix College and his PhD in organic chemistry from Duke before spending time in Germany on a Humboldt Fellowship on his post-doc. He’s worked for several major pharmaceutical companies since 1989 on drug discovery projects against schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, osteoporosis and other diseases."
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I don't believe you took the time to watch the video because he cites the study around the time mark referenced where the spike did not stay where it was supposed. Believe it is this one.

dailysceptic.org

New Study From Harvard Shows "Systemic" Presence of Spike Proteins in Blood Following Vaccination – The Daily Sceptic

A new paper in Clinical Infectious Diseases has shown that the spike protein from an mRNA Covid vaccine is present systemically in the blood from the day of the jab and is not localised to the site of injection.
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A new paper published this week in Oxford scientific journal Clinical Infectious Diseases has shown that the spike protein from an mRNA Covid vaccine is present systemically in the blood from the day of the jab and is not localised to the site of injection. The research team from Harvard found the protein in the blood of 11 of 13 nurses tested following vaccination. ...However, it would seem to explain why side-effects potentially connected to the spike protein can occur throughout the body and are not localised to the injection site.
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I see nothing about nurses in your Derek Lowe link which is about hamsters so we are obviously not on the same page. It would behoove you to follow directions.
 
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Authentic Nouveau

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Harry Leggs said:
I don't believe you took the time to watch the video because he cites the study around the time mark referenced where the spike did not stay where it was supposed. Believe it is this one.

dailysceptic.org

New Study From Harvard Shows "Systemic" Presence of Spike Proteins in Blood Following Vaccination – The Daily Sceptic

A new paper in Clinical Infectious Diseases has shown that the spike protein from an mRNA Covid vaccine is present systemically in the blood from the day of the jab and is not localised to the site of injection.
dailysceptic.org dailysceptic.org

A new paper published this week in Oxford scientific journal Clinical Infectious Diseases has shown that the spike protein from an mRNA Covid vaccine is present systemically in the blood from the day of the jab and is not localised to the site of injection. The research team from Harvard found the protein in the blood of 11 of 13 nurses tested following vaccination. ...However, it would seem to explain why side-effects potentially connected to the spike protein can occur throughout the body and are not localised to the injection site.
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I see nothing about nurses in your Derek Lowe link which is about hamsters so we are obviously not on the same page. It would behoove you to follow directions.
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Gene therapy. Next is thrombosis. The Clot shot.
 
Harry Leggs

Harry Leggs

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Authentic Nouveau said:
That Medical outsider does cut and pastes he doesn't understand.
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A lot of it i do not understand but at least get the facts straight so we are on the same page. Like why is he attempting to refute (?) with a link that was about hamsters when the Harvard was about nurses and so was the youtube. I think he is saying that the spike stays at the injection site. Everything i am reading says it is in the bloodstream and may break the blood-brain barrier. Sounds scary to me.

academic.oup.com

Circulating Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients

Abstract. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participants who
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CrowCross

CrowCross

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Bonnie said:
Okay, but were these the moving 3-day or 7-day averages? I almost couldn't get the cursor to work, to see what deaths each day had. But again, these are MOVING averages. We may both be misinterpreting the data, because of that.

However you are correct that the death spike has dropped quite a bit, perhaps due to more monoclonal antibody treatments being made more readily available in Florida. I certainly hope so!
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Regardless...the MSM is picking on Florida and Texas because of what the Governers are doing...using science...and whet they are doing doesn't fit the jab agenda.

As to monoclonal antibody treatments...I haven't looked into that yet.
This morning I read about a daily pill pfizer or somebody is coming out with.
 
CrowCross

CrowCross

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Harry Leggs said:
A lot of it i do not understand but at least get the facts straight so we are on the same page. Like why is he attempting to refute (?) with a link that was about hamsters when the Harvard was about nurses and so was the youtube. I think he is saying that the spike stays at the injection site. Everything i am reading says it is in the bloodstream and may break the blood-brain barrier. Sounds scary to me.
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Everything I've been reading say the same thing. I recommend not taking the booster.
 
inertia

inertia

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Harry Leggs said:
I don't believe you took the time to watch the video because he cites the study around the time mark referenced where the spike did not stay where it was supposed. Believe it is this one.

dailysceptic.org

New Study From Harvard Shows "Systemic" Presence of Spike Proteins in Blood Following Vaccination – The Daily Sceptic

A new paper in Clinical Infectious Diseases has shown that the spike protein from an mRNA Covid vaccine is present systemically in the blood from the day of the jab and is not localised to the site of injection.
dailysceptic.org dailysceptic.org

A new paper published this week in Oxford scientific journal Clinical Infectious Diseases has shown that the spike protein from an mRNA Covid vaccine is present systemically in the blood from the day of the jab and is not localised to the site of injection. The research team from Harvard found the protein in the blood of 11 of 13 nurses tested following vaccination. ...However, it would seem to explain why side-effects potentially connected to the spike protein can occur throughout the body and are not localised to the injection site.
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I see nothing about nurses in your Derek Lowe link which is about hamsters so we are obviously not on the same page. It would behoove you to follow directions.
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Thanks for the link. - Yes, I found it too based on the mention of the study in the video you presented.

According to the authors: "The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored."

TBD

 
Harry Leggs

Harry Leggs

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inertia said:
Thanks for the link. - Yes, I found it too based on the mention of the study in the video you presented.

According to the authors: "The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored."

TBD

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That's improvement. The point being, it was not supposed to happen and they should have known about it before the fact.
 
CrowCross

CrowCross

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inertia said:
From Science: the transmembrane anchor region*

"...when a cell gets the effect of an mRNA nanoparticle or an adenovirus vector, it of course starts to express the Spike protein. But instead of that being assembled into more infectious viral particles, as would happen in a real coronavirus infection, this protein gets moved up to the surface of the cell, where it stays. That's where it's presented to the immune system, as an abnormal intruding protein on a cell surface. The Spike protein is not released to wander freely through the bloodstream by itself, because it has a transmembrane anchor region that (as the name implies) leaves it stuck."

* About the author: "Derek Lowe, an Arkansan by birth, got his BA from Hendrix College and his PhD in organic chemistry from Duke before spending time in Germany on a Humboldt Fellowship on his post-doc. He’s worked for several major pharmaceutical companies since 1989 on drug discovery projects against schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, osteoporosis and other diseases."
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The guy who invented it is wrong?
 
Fenuay

Fenuay

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e v e said:
so if they are wrong about rules, enough to make you change career, why would you believe them on anything?
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Because as a nurse I understand science and I know that what they are claiming about the vaccines being made to hurt people aren't true. I am changing careers because I am tired of following the insurance company policies that force us to follow certain protocols that are not in the best interest of the patient. And recently they have begun to decrease the salary of nurses and doctors and eliminated call pay. We already don't get paid what we should and with having chronic illness I'm just not wanting to work so hard.
 
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balshan

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Bonnie said:
Okay, but were these the moving 3-day or 7-day averages? I almost couldn't get the cursor to work, to see what deaths each day had. But again, these are MOVING averages. We may both be misinterpreting the data, because of that.

However you are correct that the death spike has dropped quite a bit, perhaps due to more monoclonal antibody treatments being made more readily available in Florida. I certainly hope so!
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Bonnie

Bonnie

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CrowCross said:
No body said it was a good bioweapon.
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someone on here said something similar, that covid was developed to be a bioweapon, a couple of weeks ago.
CrowCross said:
Then again we haven't hit flu season.
Still people masked up and are rebreathing their CO2....
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Sorry, but I found evidence that when people wearing masks inhale they quickly replace the CO2 with oxygen. I put down a link to it, when you had a thread about it. I never have trouble breathing in my tripple layered masks.
CrowCross said:
people did lockdown and lost their businesses.
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Yes,, some folks did, but that is better than losing their lives...the stimulus money was supposed to help with that. Not a perfect solution, though.
CrowCross said:
People are being controlled by the passports in many situations. People are being forced to take the jab....the virus helped Biden steal the election
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Some people are being forced to get the vaccine or be fired--like hospital workers, and people working in nursing homes.

I have yet to have any business or restaurant demand to see our "passports" before we could enter.

The last line is nonsense. Not worth responding to.
 
Bonnie

Bonnie

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inertia said:
From Science: the transmembrane anchor region*

"...when a cell gets the effect of an mRNA nanoparticle or an adenovirus vector, it of course starts to express the Spike protein. But instead of that being assembled into more infectious viral particles, as would happen in a real coronavirus infection, this protein gets moved up to the surface of the cell, where it stays. That's where it's presented to the immune system, as an abnormal intruding protein on a cell surface. The Spike protein is not released to wander freely through the bloodstream by itself, because it has a transmembrane anchor region that (as the name implies) leaves it stuck."

* About the author: "Derek Lowe, an Arkansan by birth, got his BA from Hendrix College and his PhD in organic chemistry from Duke before spending time in Germany on a Humboldt Fellowship on his post-doc. He’s worked for several major pharmaceutical companies since 1989 on drug discovery projects against schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, osteoporosis and other diseases."
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Here is a bit more on Malone:

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This is an opinion piece, but the author did talk to Malone and read his 6000 word paper about himself. The author makes some good points.

Here is more of a scientific approach to what Malone has said,, which also shows he was not the sole inventor of the mRNA vaccine:

healthfeedback.org

The development of mRNA vaccines was a collaborative effort; Robert Malone contributed to their development, but he is not their inventor

Like many technologies, the development of the mRNA vaccines was a collaborative effort that spanned a number of research institutes, three decades of work, and hundreds of researchers. Robert Malone contributed to the early development of this vaccine technology, however he is not the sole...
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Plus, I have posted stuff from medical/scientific journals that show that spike proteins generated in the body by the vaccine only last a few weeks, then break down--but the immune system still remembers them..

And this is the article I put down on here in a couple of places a few weeks ago, that explains about the protein spikes and other stuff:

healthfeedback.org

Byram Bridle’s claim that COVID-19 vaccines are toxic fails to account for key differences between the spike protein produced during infection and vaccination, misrepresents studies

The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 allows the virus to bind to and infect cells, making it an ideal target for vaccine development. Recent studies suggested that the spike protein produced during infection alone might cause cardiovascular damage in COVID-19 patients. While the three COVID-19...
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Authentic Nouveau

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Harry Leggs said:
A lot of it i do not understand but at least get the facts straight so we are on the same page. Like why is he attempting to refute (?) with a link that was about hamsters when the Harvard was about nurses and so was the youtube. I think he is saying that the spike stays at the injection site. Everything i am reading says it is in the bloodstream and may break the blood-brain barrier. Sounds scary to me.

academic.oup.com

Circulating Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients

Abstract. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participants who
academic.oup.com academic.oup.com
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The Wuhan virus is engineered to also pass the blood brain barrier.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 binds to cells via the S1 subunit of its spike protein. We show that intravenously injected radioiodinated S1 (I-S1) readily crossed the blood-brain barrier in male mice, was taken up by brain regions and entered the parenchymal brain space. I-S1 was also taken up by the lung, spleen, kidney and liver.
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I-S1 uptake in the hippocampus and olfactory bulb was reduced by lipopolysaccharide-induced inflammation. Mechanistic studies indicated that I-S1 crosses the blood-brain barrier by adsorptive transcytosis and that murine angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 is involved in brain and lung uptake, but not in kidney, liver or spleen uptake.
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