Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines

Backup

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I am wondering as a distant medical outsider, why you have no medical sources.
They show their source.

From your source: “The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.”
 

Bonnie

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From your source: “The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.”
I have read that, too. But then, one must first be infected with covid-19, and survive it, to acquire antibodies--which can be dangerous. The disease can go from mild to severe in a few days.
 

Bonnie

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Wow! I have a couple of questions.

Is it true that the name Tyler Durden is a pseudonym for Ivandjiiski?
Is it also true that Ivandjiiski's father was a Bulgarian publisher and editor of the pro-Russian right-wing conspiracy theory website Strogo Sekretno?

- just askin'


Could be:


Zero Hedge's first post appeared on 9 January 2009 at 4pm,[38][2] and the domain was registered on 11 January 2009.[citation needed] According to the Boston Business Journal, the website "publishes financial news and opinion, aggregated and original" from a number of writers "who purportedly hail from within the financial industry."[39] Almost all in-house articles are signed under the collective pseudonym, "Tyler Durden", a character in the Chuck Palahniuk book and movie Fight Club.[39][2]

In September 2009, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born, U.S.-educated,[d] former hedge-fund trader, who was barred from the securities industry in September 2008 for earning US$780 from an insider trade by FINRA,[40] as the founder of the site, and reported that "Tyler Durden" was a pseudonym for Ivandjiiski.[2][41] FINRA rulings show Ivandjiiski worked for 3 years at New York investment bank, Jefferies & Co.,[42] as well a number of hedge funds, the last of which was Wexford Capital LLC, a fund led by former Goldman Sachs traders.[43] One female site contributor, who spoke to New York magazine in an interview arranged by Ivandjiiski, said "up to 40" people could post under the "Tyler Durden" pseudonym.[2] The same New York magazine article, published on 27 September 2009, stated that Ivandjiiski's father was Krassimir Ivandjiiski,[2] a Bulgarian publisher and editor of the pro-Russian right-wing conspiracy theory website Strogo Sekretno ("Top Secret"),[1] and monthly publication Bulgarian Confidential, since 1994.[e][1]

The domain zerohedge.com is registered in Bulgaria to a company called ABC Media Ltd, managed by Krassimir Ivandjiiski.[1]
 

Bonnie

Super Member
I am wondering as a distant medical outsider, why you have no medical sources.
They show their source.

Yes, it does--so, should we all go out and try to get infected by covid-19, and hope that we don't wind up in the hospital, on a respirator or ventilator, struggling to breathe? Especially since many hospitals in some areas, especially in the South, are being overwhelmed with many patients with covid-19?
 

vibise

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Yes, it does--so, should we all go out and try to get infected by covid-19, and hope that we don't wind up in the hospital, on a respirator or ventilator, struggling to breathe? Especially since many hospitals in some areas, especially in the South, are being overwhelmed with many patients with covid-19?
This is exactly right. We currently have over 600,000 covid dead, virtually all of whom were unvaccinated.
If the idea is that unfettered spread of this virus would create an immune population, that would be at the expense of a huge death count.
OTOH the vaccine has been effective in reducing serious disease and death, and RW objections to the vaccines make no sense.
 

TeabagSalad

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They should get rid of the rule that the ball has to pitch on or toward the off of leg stump.

I believe something like this has been suggested before. But, there are significant arguments against any change as such changes would negatively affect either fast or spin bowling (depending on what gets changed). In general such changes make it either too easy or too hard to get an LBW and that removes some of the tactics of cricket, so best leave things as they are.
 

Simpletruther

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This is exactly right. We currently have over 600,000 covid dead, virtually all of whom were unvaccinated.
If the idea is that unfettered spread of this virus would create an immune population, that would be at the expense of a huge death count.
OTOH the vaccine has been effective in reducing serious disease and death, and RW objections to the vaccines make no sense.
If you are young and healthy the vaccine offers little advantage.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
I noticed all those in favor of loading their bodies up with spike proteins don't seem to have the ability to defend their position...(maybe that's because the proteins spikes have passed through the blood brain barrier and are effecting them mentally)....so all they can do is attack the author Tyler Durden rather than actually speaking about what he has said. Why is that???
 

CrowCross

Super Member
False. The average age of covid patients has declined by over 20 years, and many young people, and even children are dying.
It seems that the vaccinated people are beginning to take the lead of getting covid. It's a very sad statistic but one that has to be put out there.

Don't take the booster.
 

Thistle

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Wow! I have a couple of questions.

Is it true that the name Tyler Durden is a pseudonym for Ivandjiiski?
Is it also true that Ivandjiiski's father was a Bulgarian publisher and editor of the pro-Russian right-wing conspiracy theory website Strogo Sekretno?

- just askin'


"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."​

It's amazing that this is become so politicized that you can get otherwise rational people to behave completely irrationally. What fault do you find with this study?
 

inertia

Super Member
"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."​

It's amazing that this is become so politicized that you can get otherwise rational people to behave completely irrationally. What fault do you find with this study?

The Perimeter states:

"This time, the data leave little doubt that natural infection truly is the better option for protection against the delta variant, despite the fact that the US won't acknowledge the already infected as having antibodies protecting them from the virus."

However, Science reports:

"...other researchers stress that deliberate infection among unvaccinated people would put them at significant risk of severe disease and death, or the lingering, significant symptoms of what has been dubbed Long Covid. The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. ...And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people,..."

TBD on "truly better"


 

Harry Leggs

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The Perimeter states:

"This time, the data leave little doubt that natural infection truly is the better option for protection against the delta variant,
VAERS and its euro counterpart combined with the overall fatality rate says the jab is not worth it. Not needed.
despite the fact that the US won't acknowledge the already infected as having antibodies protecting them from the virus."

However, Science reports:

"...other researchers stress that deliberate infection among unvaccinated people
This is opinion from for profits. Fear mongering. Many of us remain unaffected by COVID and far more affected by all the restrictions, lockdowns etc.

would put them at significant risk of severe disease and death, or the lingering, significant symptoms of what has been dubbed Long Covid.
Yawn.
The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,
Who is keeping track of all the billionaires this is making and all the kickbacks to politicians? How many people have either died or been hospitalized with a four-day window of getting the jab? If the overall survivability rate is around 98% what was the survivability rate of HIV/AIDS infections back in the 80s and early 90s? Perhaps 1%? How did a monkey virus make its way into humans in the first place? How bout polio vaccines>>>
” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. ...And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people,..."

TBD on "truly better"


Most who had it was mild to no symptoms. Many did not know they were sick until a questionable test told them so. The BS meter is off the charts on all this.
 
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Howie

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So, any questions?
No.
 
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