Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines

[Bonnie]

Thanks, Inertia. I did not read that part. Other states probably have a similar system.

Hi Inertia--I checked the state health departments websites of Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi, and none of them has the type of graphs, or graphs at all, that Georgia DOH has. Mississippi's DOH has excel type graphs, but they are not nearly as...graphic as Georgia's. No pun intended.

I did see on Yahoo news today that those hospitalized for covid in Florida dropped the 4th day in a row. At one point, slightly more than half of its hospitalized patients were hospitalized for covid, the highest in the country, I think it said. I noticed on Florida's DOH website that more places are opening up where covid patients could get monoclonal antibody treatment. Perhaps that is why.

 

[inertia]

The reason the study is important is not that people should go out and get Covid in order to build theIr natural immunity. It is that we shouldn't have a public campaign to get people who have better immunity vaccinated when it's completely pointless and counterproductive as a public policy position. For example, some business out there is going to require 100% of their employees to get vaccinated, with a vaccine that until last week was experimental. Yet we still have no long-term data on any of these. Vaccines distributed to people who have better immunity than the vaccine provides could actually go to someone who would more likely benefit from it. If you have better immunity there is no reason for you to take any vaccine risk whatsoever, however negligible that risk might be.

How does one know if one's immunity is better than a vaccine that has been demonstrated to boost immunity through statistics gathered worldwide?

The referenced preprint represented a sample size of only 238 infections out of 16,000 individuals. With less than 1.5% of the population sampled it is not a statistically significant data point to draw conclusive results until further research is conducted. Peer review could find errors that will cause the paper to be withdrawn at this point in time.

When I catch the standard flu, not only does it spread within days to the rest of my family, green stuff exits my minute-by-minute violent coughing and no one in the house gets to sleep. A vaccine, on the other hand, prevents this "event" from occurring annually.

To date, my Moderna vaccinations are doing their job. My standard flu vaccination is right around the proverbial corner.

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[inertia]

Hi Inertia--I checked the state health departments websites of Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi, and none of them has the type of graphs, or graphs at all, that Georgia DOH has. Mississippi's DOH has excel type graphs, but they are not nearly as...graphic as Georgia's. No pun intended.

I did see on Yahoo news today that those hospitalized for covid in Florida dropped the 4th day in a row. At one point, slightly more than half of its hospitalized patients were hospitalized for covid, the highest in the country, I think it said. I noticed on Florida's DOH website that more places are opening up where covid patients could get monoclonal antibody treatment. Perhaps that is why.

Yes. The professional presentations are available because someone probably hired Georgia Tech graduates. The quality is obvious.

I'm so glad to read that this infestation has peaked in Florida. Very good news!

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[Thistle]

How does one know if one's immunity is better than a vaccine that has been demonstrated to boost immunity through statistics gathered worldwide?

The referenced preprint represented a sample size of only 238 infections out of 16,000 individuals. With less than 1.5% of the population sampled it is not a statistically significant data point to draw conclusive results until further research is conducted.

In the prohibitive number of cases natural immunity is always better than vaccines. This is a study that is telling us that what we would expect to be the case is the case.

Peer review could find errors that will cause the paper to be withdrawn at this point in time.

You're arguing a hypothetical contrary to fact.

When I catch the standard flu, not only does it spread within days to the rest of my family, green stuff exits my minute-by-minute violent coughing and no one in the house gets to sleep. A vaccine, on the other hand, prevents this "event" from occurring annually.

There has been a very broad discussion of people getting Covid asymptomaticly.

To date, my Moderna vaccinations are doing their job.

That's a relevant to somebody who has immunity and didn't take the vaccine.

My standard flu vaccination is right around the proverbial corner.

I don't understand your point.

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[inertia]

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I did see on Yahoo news today that those hospitalized for covid in Florida dropped the 4th day in a row. At one point, slightly more than half of its hospitalized patients were hospitalized for covid, the highest in the country, I think it said. I noticed on Florida's DOH website that more places are opening up where covid patients could get monoclonal antibody treatment. Perhaps that is why.

CNN has a different report dated 8/30/2021.

- Now it's Oxygen

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[Harry Leggs]

FDA Grants Full Approval of Pfizer Vaccine, Critics Blast Agency for Lack of Data, Scientific Debate

Critics said it was concerning that full approval was based on only six months’ worth of data — despite clinical trials designed for two years — and that there was no public discussion of the data.

childrenshealthdefense.org

Data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 13, 2021, a total of 326,535 adverse events had been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) attributed to Pfizer’s COVID vaccine, including 9,027 deaths and 56,607 serious injuries.

Covid-19: FDA set to grant full approval to Pfizer vaccine without public discussion of data

Transparency advocates have criticised the US Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) decision not to hold a formal advisory committee meeting to discuss Pfizer’s application for full approval of its covid-19 vaccine. Last year the FDA said it was “committed to use an advisory committee composed...

www.bmj.com

 

[inertia]

In the prohibitive number of cases natural immunity is always better than vaccines. This is a study that is telling us that what we would expect to be the case is the case.

I cannot disagree with "always" more. The findings of any single study should always be contextualized within the broader field of research. Reported sample size, statistical significance, confidence intervals, and data discrepancies are important components of the scientific reporting procedure. Unreasonably small sample size factors into the analysis with repeated research performed by other independent studies.

You're arguing a hypothetical contrary to fact.

Input from peer review is a common part of scientific methodology. For medRxiv preprints, 18% of the submissions were withdrawn during its first year "and 13 of those withdrawals were related to coronavirus disease". For the health industry, there are significant issues for premature media coverage of preprints.

• Before the pandemic "bioRxiv received very little coverage in comparison to journal articles"
• During the current pandemic "information from social media and preprint servers has been used by politicians and physicians to advocate for specific treatments"
• Because of abuse, a warning for caution specifically for COVID-19 e-prints is displayed, and frequently ignored by media

The warning: "reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice"

There has been a very broad discussion of people getting Covid asymptomaticly.

Of course.

That's a relevant to somebody who has immunity and didn't take the vaccine.

Many have changed their minds after they are on ventilation.

I don't understand your point.

Here I was simply relating my experience with the common flu and vaccinations.

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[Fenuay]

Do some believe it makes their arms magnetic, causes infertility, or vaccinated people shed spikes all over the place? Or that it has tiny nanobots in them, so Bill Gates can track them? Or that it is a nefarious plot to depopulate the wirld?

None of them believe that. Seems to be only an American thing.

 

[Bonnie]

CNN has a different report dated 8/30/2021.

- Now it's Oxygen

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Whoo, boy, now it's a shortage of 0xygen! If it isn't one thing, it's another...

 

[Bonnie]

None of them believe that. Seems to be only an American thing.

Wonder why some Americans seem to be so gullible...

 

[Fenuay]

Wonder why some Americans seem to be so gullible...

I miss Germany. Lol!

 

[Fenuay]

Wonder why some Americans seem to be so gullible...

I'm getting ready to try a new Church. It's an Evangelical Lutheran Church. I'd like your opinion if you don't mind. There are no other Lutheran churches in the area.

Calvary Evangelical Lutheran Church

www.calvarylutheranmd.net

Just would like your thoughts if you don't mind!

 

[Bonnie]

I miss Germany. Lol!

Well....a certain generation fell for Hitler and his lies....but I suspect post-Hitler Getmans are far more wary of folks with an agenda...

But I miss Germany, too, sometimes. We lived there for nearly 3 years, from late 1976 thru the autumn of 1979.

 

[Bonnie]

I'm getting ready to try a new Church. It's an Evangelical Lutheran Church. I'd like your opinion if you don't mind. There are no other Lutheran churches in the area.

Calvary Evangelical Lutheran Church

www.calvarylutheranmd.net

Just would like your thoughts if you don't mind!

I will tell you in a PM.

 

[Fenuay]

How does one know if one's immunity is better than a vaccine that has been demonstrated to boost immunity through statistics gathered worldwide?

The referenced preprint represented a sample size of only 238 infections out of 16,000 individuals. With less than 1.5% of the population sampled it is not a statistically significant data point to draw conclusive results until further research is conducted. Peer review could find errors that will cause the paper to be withdrawn at this point in time.

When I catch the standard flu, not only does it spread within days to the rest of my family, green stuff exits my minute-by-minute violent coughing and no one in the house gets to sleep. A vaccine, on the other hand, prevents this "event" from occurring annually.

To date, my Moderna vaccinations are doing their job. My standard flu vaccination is right around the proverbial corner.

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I don't particularly like the Flu vaccine because it is based on a best guess about which strains they should choose for the year. Sometimes they have been wrong. Several years ago I was working in dialysis and myself and two other nurses chose not to get the flu shot and everyone else did. Strangely everyone else ended up with a very bad case of flu and we didn't. Just us three were working one day because everyone else was sick. So when it comes to flu it's kind of hit or miss. I only get it when I can get the thimerosol and heavy metal free shot. A lot of homeopathic and functional medicine doctors will have these.

 

[Fenuay]

I agree! It is really nobody's business.. It is my choice and no one is going to tell me I have to get it. My decision was o get the shot but it was doner on my terms not some flamer telling me I have to

Agreed.

 

[inertia]

I don't particularly like the Flu vaccine because it is based on a best guess about which strains they should choose for the year. Sometimes they have been wrong. Several years ago I was working in dialysis and myself and two other nurses chose not to get the flu shot and everyone else did. Strangely everyone else ended up with a very bad case of flu and we didn't. Just us three were working one day because everyone else was sick. So when it comes to flu it's kind of hit or miss. I only get it when I can get the thimerosol and heavy metal free shot. A lot of homeopathic and functional medicine doctors will have these.

I receive Fluzone High-Dose Quadrivalent. [ Homeopathic - never. ]

Other inactivated influenza vaccines are hit-and-miss in their effectiveness, and I too stay away from them since they lower my confidence level.

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[Fenuay]

I receive Fluzone High-Dose Quadrivalent. [ Homeopathic - never. ]

Other inactivated influenza vaccines are hit-and-miss in their effectiveness, and I too stay away from them since they lower my confidence level.

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I don't get a homeopathic shot. I find some homeopathic stuff to be good but the rest is usually just silly. It's just free of heavy metals and thimerosol. But for some reason Allopathic doctors don't think the heavy metals are an issue. I guess most people have no problem with it but I have had a high level of radiation exposure as a baby (I was born with both hips dislocated and needed hip braces for 8 months) and during Chernobyl and pesticide toxicity while we lived in Hawaii. So I try to be very careful.

 

[Bonnie]

I don't particularly like the Flu vaccine because it is based on a best guess about which strains they should choose for the year. Sometimes they have been wrong. Several years ago I was working in dialysis and myself and two other nurses chose not to get the flu shot and everyone else did. Strangely everyone else ended up with a very bad case of flu and we didn't. Just us three were working one day because everyone else was sick. So when it comes to flu it's kind of hit or miss. I only get it when I can get the thimerosol and heavy metal free shot. A lot of homeopathic and functional medicine doctors will have these.

I thought thimerosal was discontinued in 1996, since the advent of single-dose bottles. Also, thimerosal contains ethyl mercury, not methyl mercury, and the ethyl mercury breaks down quickly and is excreted quickly, unlike the other kind. Kinda like the difference between ethyl alcohol and methyl alcohol. Are some vaccines still found in multiple-dose bottles?

I sometimes wonder about the efficacy of the flu vaccine, it is such a crap shoot. I read recently about an antibody found on all flu versions, discovered in 2016...I wonder if a vaccine could be made, based upon that marker...

In late 2018, I got my flu shot, and on New Year's Day, I came down with one if the worst bouts of flu I ever had. When I finally got to the doctor's, I got my nose swabbed and yep, it was type 1 flu. I didn't need a test to tell me that. I caught pneumonia from my sister-in-law, who was visiting, as she suspected she was coming down with pneumonia. I never had it before. After I recovered, I got the Prevenar 13 vaccine!

Vaccine did not help much!

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

I too doubt the integrity of the CDC.

I just think they would rather over estimate, rather than under estimate the numbers of young people dying From covid.

Such a large number of their inflated 600,000 had 3 and 4 or more comorbidities.
I used the question how many of the 600,000 already had low chances of living another year if they had not tested positive.
How many of the 600,000 had never actually been tested?