New Age Economics

wiseones2cents

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As a non-American. I beleive I can see things that most Americans cannot see. Its like when your in a bad relationship and cant see and your friends are trying to warn you.

As a non-Democrat-and non Republican? I have no biased. I have sided with both on different maters. I believe I'm somewhere in the center.
I am an ally of the American people(and all earthly citizens). But a foe of the super rich, corruption and those who serve it. Which I beleive belong to both parties.
Both parties are hypocrites and corrupt. When one side does it, their supporters ignore it, but when the other side does it? They start screaming foul.lol

As an Agnostic Christian, i am somewhere inbetween the Christian fanatics and Aethiests. Again, my battle is with the fanatics on both sides. Why? They are filled with mis-guided hatred.....

I am against Capitalism and against Communism(which are infact very alike) the both serve the 1% and their crony followers.......Just liike the kings and their nobles....

I believe in Socialism. A system not supported by taxes. A system not supported by debt. A system that can make money debt and tax free to pay for things like welfare, pensions, health care, education, etc...

Now if the government has access to making money? There will be no need to collect taxes for revenue.
I'm sure people will say inflation, but as long as the money supply is managed properly, there will be no inflation.
Remove the capitalist middlemen who do nothing to get paid other than being rich and voila. The cost of living drops like a rock.

I believe the communism the left(and right) are ushering in is more like communist style socialism, like a dictatorship. This is very concerning. Our right for peaceful assembly is being taken away. Most likely due to a false flag operation.....Just one of the many ways they use to fool the public.

If i thought what they were ushering in was for the benefit of mankind I would be all for it, but I am skeptical.

According to the "great reset" they will default on all global debt. I'm actually for that. Been calling for that for quite some time.

But, they say there will be strings attached. They will say people will have to give up their property rights. Hmmmmmmm not sure I agree with that.
They will introduce a universal basic income. This is also something I have supported from the beginning, with technology taking over our jobs. There is just not enough jobs to go around. But will this universal income be backed by debt and taxes? I've been calling for the opposite.

The entire world will be run by a ruthless group of 1% ers. Forgive me if I am skeptical about their intentions....They will have a monopoly on all global industry.....

The left nor the right support Soviet style communism(or monopolies). So why are they allowing it to happen? So are politicians on both sides...Thoughts?
 
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Authentic Nouveau

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You have no psych credentials. The gubment is not motivated. Capitalism is a motivator for high achievers. Socialism is for the lazy.
Socialism punishes savings and frugal living. Under Russia had starvation and imported wheat. Under capitalism they export wheat. When the state owned collective farms, the yields were low and people survived with the small garden plots they were "permitted" for food.
I did a thread on a Skinner Box which proves why socialism creates very low productivity.
 

wiseones2cents

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You have no psych credentials. The gubment is not motivated. Capitalism is a motivator for high achievers. Socialism is for the lazy.
Socialism punishes savings and frugal living. Under Russia had starvation and imported wheat. Under capitalism they export wheat. When the state owned collective farms, the yields were low and people survived with the small garden plots they were "permitted" for food.
I did a thread on a Skinner Box which proves why socialism creates very low productivity.
We know why you support it Nouveau. You are eating at the pig troughs of capitalism. You are a Russian CEO, that speaks Spanish, that works in pretty much every field. yet spends most of his time on the internet?lol hmmmmmmm

Again. Soviet communism was not socialism but a dictatorship. Where most of the money collected was geared towards military application.

Would you like to debate Socialism vs Capitalist productivity?
 

Electric Skeptic

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We know why you support it Nouveau. You are eating at the pig troughs of capitalism. You are a Russian CEO, that speaks Spanish, that works in pretty much every field. yet spends most of his time on the internet?lol hmmmmmmm

Again. Soviet communism was not socialism but a dictatorship. Where most of the money collected was geared towards military application.

Would you like to debate Socialism vs Capitalist productivity?
You know I'm no fan of your usual posts, but something you said above I have to chime in on - not to argue with you but to reinforce something you said.

It's very common for Americans to think "Socialism? That means communism, and that's Russia. So if you're for socialism, you like the idea of a totalitarian dictatorship, like Russia's."

That is so much nonsense. Socialism/communism is an economic system, not a political one. It neither necessitates nor is particularly helped by a dictatorship. That the world's more famous socialist/communist states have been dictatorships says nothing about socialism/communism at all.

Both socialism and communism should be considered as economic systems and their desirability (or lack thereof) determined based on that alone, not some imagined dictatorship that is inherent in or must come with them.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Kroger milk $1.88 per gallon 1/2 gallons 99 cents

Milk in the Democrap People's Republic of Toronto $11.72$ C per gallon.

Socialism hates child development nutrition
 

Authentic Nouveau

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We know why you support it Nouveau. You are eating at the pig troughs of capitalism. You are a Russian CEO, that speaks Spanish, that works in pretty much every field. yet spends most of his time on the internet?lol hmmmmmmm

Again. Soviet communism was not socialism but a dictatorship. Where most of the money collected was geared towards military application.

Would you like to debate Socialism vs Capitalist productivity?
 

Authentic Nouveau

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You know I'm no fan of your usual posts, but something you said above I have to chime in on - not to argue with you but to reinforce something you said.

It's very common for Americans to think "Socialism? That means communism, and that's Russia. So if you're for socialism, you like the idea of a totalitarian dictatorship, like Russia's."

That is so much nonsense. Socialism/communism is an economic system, not a political one. It neither necessitates nor is particularly helped by a dictatorship. That the world's more famous socialist/communist states have been dictatorships says nothing about socialism/communism at all.

Both socialism and communism should be considered as economic systems and their desirability (or lack thereof) determined based on that alone, not some imagined dictatorship that is inherent in or must come with them.

You are an economics distant outsider. The ONLY socialist communal system I am familiar with and have visited are the Hutterite Colonies. They are pacifists, eat together in a dining hall and couples have private rooms for their families. They are strict religious version of Mennonites. Anabaptists. They have modern equipment. Northern Plains and western Canada. When families grow, they split and go buy more lands.
They don't have their personal cars or homes. Women sew most clothing but they buy shoes. Average colony under 100. If it hits 125-150, they split and go buy more land. Then they build buildings and lodging and half of them move. They have no heirarchy. Their model doesn't work on a larger scale.

The poison for socialism is natural selfishness and sin. These religious people are raised to be unselfish.

Your elevator pitch for socialism entices selfish and lazy people who want money from rich people. Very modern tractors and equipment. But most do not have the web and a colony may have only one telephone. To sell crops or order feed for livestock.
 

Electric Skeptic

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You are an economics distant outsider. The ONLY socialist communal system I am familiar with and have visited are the Hutterite Colonies.
Your ignorance is not my problem.
They are pacifists, eat together in a dining hall and couples have private rooms for their families. They are strict religious version of Mennonites. Anabaptists. They have modern equipment. Northern Plains and western Canada. When families grow, they split and go buy more lands.
They don't have their personal cars or homes. Women sew most clothing but they buy shoes. Average colony under 100. If it hits 125-150, they split and go buy more land. Then they build buildings and lodging and half of them move. They have no heirarchy. Their model doesn't work on a larger scale.
None of which is relevant.
The poison for socialism is natural selfishness and sin. These religious people are raised to be unselfish.
That's nice.
Your elevator pitch for socialism entices selfish and lazy people who want money from rich people. Very modern tractors and equipment. But most do not have the web and a colony may have only one telephone. To sell crops or order feed for livestock.
I made no pitch for socialism. Try to read for comprehension.
 

wiseones2cents

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You know I'm no fan of your usual posts, but something you said above I have to chime in on - not to argue with you but to reinforce something you said.

It's very common for Americans to think "Socialism? That means communism, and that's Russia. So if you're for socialism, you like the idea of a totalitarian dictatorship, like Russia's."

That is so much nonsense. Socialism/communism is an economic system, not a political one. It neither necessitates nor is particularly helped by a dictatorship. That the world's more famous socialist/communist states have been dictatorships says nothing about socialism/communism at all.

Both socialism and communism should be considered as economic systems and their desirability (or lack thereof) determined based on that alone, not some imagined dictatorship that is inherent in or must come with them.
That is why I believe in Democratic Socialism. I do not believe in any type of dictatorship. Power eventually corrupts....
 

wiseones2cents

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Kroger milk $1.88 per gallon 1/2 gallons 99 cents

Milk in the Democrap People's Republic of Toronto $11.72$ C per gallon.

Socialism hates child development nutrition

Why? Is the milk company owned by the government of Canada?lol Isn't your silly capitalism about what the markets will bear? I guess Torontonians on average make more money and can afford more for milk?lol

Also lets not forget America is the default currency of the world, to prop up its dollar value? Is that capitalism too or theivery?
 

wiseones2cents

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Nope. In fact we have a Trump hating Canadian who tried to defend ripoff milk prices. Canada blocks dairy imports and uses socialist tactics and restricts milk production.
Trump hating Canadian?lol I've been supporting Trump. Where have you been?lol I hear the US dumps millions of barrels of milk to keep prices profitable.lol
 

Authentic Nouveau

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That is why I believe in Democratic Socialism. I do not believe in any type of dictatorship. Power eventually corrupts....
Socialism doesn't work.

You refuse to show discussion about the State taking over the people's assets and means of production.
All the retarded socialism peddlers can't explain why socialism demotivates productivity. People just will not work very hard to produce food hoping the central planners in gubment will give it back as "needed"

The gubment won't give it if they do not think you need it.

Korea Norte has only one golf course. Under socialism, where will the workers find jobs when Trump resorts are converted to planting rice? (Rice paddies are a leading source of methane pollution)
 

wiseones2cents

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Socialism doesn't work.

You refuse to show discussion about the State taking over the people's assets and means of production.
All the retarded socialism peddlers can't explain why socialism demotivates productivity. People just will not work very hard to produce food hoping the central planners in gubment will give it back as "needed"

The gubment won't give it if they do not think you need it.

Korea Norte has only one golf course. Under socialism, where will the workers find jobs when Trump resorts are converted to planting rice? (Rice paddies are a leading source of methane pollution)
I've done 20 years of calculations. Democratic Socialism is the most humane system and closest to Jesus's Kingdom. You know? Where there will be no filthy rich people like in your beloved capitalism.

It doesn't necessarily have to take over anything. It can let the people choose.

People will not work as hard in socialism? Why do they have to work hard in the first place? No capitalist owners are going to push them to increase their selfish profit margins.

This is capitalism

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime, that's why I poop on company time. LMAO!!

Golf courses take up to much room. Who needs them.lol I would imagine a a rice plantain would create more jobs than a golf course.lol Your arguments are ridiculous? Again. Whould you like to start a debate? I will school you infront of everyone, mister CEO.
 

wiseones2cents

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But you support Trump the master of greed.
LOL All politicians are greedy. I support Trump because he is trying to stop the New World Order. At least that is how he is marketting himself.

He supposedly stopped TPP(which was huge), he brought more jobs back to America(the elites dont like that), He stopped all the imperial wars that were killing American military personnel to serve corporate interest.

Say what you will but he did a better job than Obama and GWB put together.

Is he doing it for the people or to save his own empire? Who knows. but he SEEMS to really want America to keep its global dominance as opposed to the deep state one world government.
 
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