New Age Economics

Authentic Nouveau

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Yawn.

Defelcting again. What does the fact that cabs make more money than doctors have to do with quality of health care and doctors get paid well??

Cuba's main income I would imagine is Tourism. I'd also imagine that cab drivers are probably part of the crony communist system. They pay a tax to get their license and away they go.

Doctors that cater to foreign patients also get paid more, since they are charged more than the public for service.

Hmmmmmm dense populations on small islands limit cars. How many Islands have you been to with gridlock?lol Do you even need a car? I'd imagine transportation is free or cheap in a socialist economy. :)

I'm still waiting for you to answer if America should give the Queen her land back that they stole?lol
You are a waste of time discussing medicine. Canadia is inferior and Americans know it.
You keep shooting yourself in the foot. Socialists insist on raising a living wage. If an American hospital has a flunky making min wage, that is more in one day than a Cuban slave doc earns in a month.
Cuba is not small.

740 miles across and more than 120 miles wide.

I will do 120 miles on mountain bike this week in the winter.

I have been to Puerto Rico, the Us Virgins, British Virgins, many islands on the Great Lakes. Islands in the Mediteranean. The Canary islands. san Juan Islands

Mackinaw Island bans cars.
 

wiseones2cents

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It collapsed. But it was a matriarchy where property passed from generation to generation through the women. How is that socialism?

It collapsed because of war. Again, who says you cant own property in Socialism?lol

If I have the means of production and the government takes it, how am I thereby freed?

Huh?m Go back and read what I stated. Imperial America bullies countries that dont cater to the capitalist dominance.

America is a net food exporter and a net energy exporter. That citation in no way describes America.

It sure as hell does. America is a leech that sucks countries of their resources for next to nothing. How? By financing dictators who oppress the masses. every country also pays an indirect poll tax to Imperial America. How, then they transfer their currency to US denominations. The only currency you can do business with on the international level.

No it's called theft. The government did not have to lie on their bond covenant to me. They had an absolute obligation to keep their commitment. They took my $1,000 I gave in exchange for their promise, and having collected my money, they refuse to keep their promise. Would it be okay if they government took your $1,000 of food that you purchased?
THEFT??LOL Ummmm nope. You risked you lost. :) To bad so sad.


Stocks are a risk asset, and everyone knows it. US Bonds are a no risk asset, and everyone knows that too. Nothing can be less alike.

Really? Just curious. If the country goes bankrupt, how does the government pay for those bonds? Maybe we should ask capitalist Argentina?


There is no risk in a no risk asset. You by a no risk asset when you demand your money back plus the no risk rate of return. If you are willing to take a risk greater than zero then you stand to make a better return.
Didnt they say the housing market was a sound investment(no risk)? We seen how that ended.lol


Hitler and Stalin gave everyone a chance to vote to stop voting too. It's all voluntary, until it's not voluntary any more.

Yawn. American backed/financed dictators were also authoritarian. Why single out 2 systems that had nothing to do with socialism?? Just like free speech in America. Its free until its no longer free?


They think he is swell, at least those who haven't passed out from starvation.
Due to the collapse of the capitalist driven economy.


There was no collapse under capitalism.
Yes there was. When oil dropped, Venezuela was no longer able to pay its foreign capitalist lenders. If venenzuela was actually a socialist country and self sufficient like msot socialist countries are? They wouldnt have needed the west's dirty blood money
 

wiseones2cents

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You are a waste of time discussing medicine. Canadia is inferior and Americans know it.
You keep shooting yourself in the foot. Socialists insist on raising a living wage. If an American hospital has a flunky making min wage, that is more in one day than a Cuban slave doc earns in a month.
Cuba is not small.

740 miles across and more than 120 miles wide.

I will do 120 miles on mountain bike this week in the winter.

I have been to Puerto Rico, the Us Virgins, British Virgins, many islands on the Great Lakes. Islands in the Mediteranean. The Canary islands. san Juan Islands

Mackinaw Island bans cars.
Yet USANEWS rated us #1. The only people that believe your nonsense is indoctrinated US citizens. The rest of the world know your healthcare is predatory extortion. :)

Doctors have a higher wage in the USA but so is the cost of living.

Thats small!

And? Did you experience gridlock in any of those Islands?LMAO!!!

Cuba is a long and narrow island. It stretches 750 miles (1,200 kilometers) from east to west, but is only 60 miles (100 kilometers) wide in most places.

Which means you can drive from coast to coast anywhere in less than an hour.lol The rest? 1 train will be sufficient.
 

Backup

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You have no psych credentials. The gubment is not motivated. Capitalism is a motivator for high achievers. Socialism is for the lazy.
Socialism punishes savings and frugal living. Under Russia had starvation and imported wheat. Under capitalism they export wheat. When the state owned collective farms, the yields were low and people survived with the small garden plots they were "permitted" for food.
I did a thread on a Skinner Box which proves why socialism creates very low productivity.
Uneducated cowboys parrot right-wing talking points with a gross ignorance of history


 

Temujin

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I will do 120 miles on mountain bike this week in the winter.

I have been to Puerto Rico, the Us Virgins, British Virgins, many islands on the Great Lakes. Islands in the Mediteranean. The Canary islands. san Juan Islands

Mackinaw Island bans cars.
We don't believe you. Why put this completely irrelevant piece of braggadiccio in at all? All it does is maintain your brand image.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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After the Communist Manifesto, we can find no country with socialism success.

Just Hype.
As a non-American. I beleive I can see things that most Americans cannot see. Its like when your in a bad relationship and cant see and your friends are trying to warn you.
Your imagination. If you "saw" things, you could post data. Greed accusations are based on ENVY.

You are in a bad relationship with the Communist Manifesto.
 

wiseones2cents

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After the Communist Manifesto, we can find no country with socialism success.

Just Hype.

Your imagination. If you "saw" things, you could post data. Greed accusations are based on ENVY.

You are in a bad relationship with the Communist Manifesto.
The idea of socialism predates marxism.

Sparta, Plato. Pythagorus, etc....

It was also seen in early Christianity,.


Religious communism​


There are those who view that the early Christian Church, such as that one described in the Acts of the Apostles (see Christian communism), was an early form of communism. The view is that communism was just Christianity in practice and Jesus Christ was himself a communist(I'd say socialist). This link was highlighted in one of Marx's early writings which stated: "As Christ is the intermediary unto whom man unburdens all his divinity, all his religious bonds, so the state is the mediator unto which he transfers all his Godlessness, all his human liberty". Furthermore, the Marxist ethos that aims for unity reflects the Christian universalist teaching that humankind is one and that there is only one god who does not discriminate among people. Pre-Marxist communism was also present in the attempts to establish communistic societies such as those made by the Essenes and by the Judean desert sect.

Furthermore, Thomas Müntzer led a large Anabaptist communist movement during the German Peasants' War.


Only those corrupted by selfish desires, material wealth, and those tempted by those things(obviously tempted by the rich), love capitalism. And of course the decieved.

Capitalism was built on wars(stealing other people's land), heavy taxation and slavery.

I'm still waiting for you to answer if America should give back the land they stole from the British?LOL
 

Ignatius

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Not true. Affordable good service just means less greed involved.


I also said I wouldnt go to the USA either. heck I personally would rather go to Cuba instead of the USA, but luckily for me. Canada has a world class health care system.
I like how you people think everyone is greedy. That means you're greedy.

You aren't wanted in the USA.
 

Temujin

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The idea of socialism predates marxism.

Sparta, Plato. Pythagorus, etc....

It was also seen in early Christianity,.


Religious communism​


There are those who view that the early Christian Church, such as that one described in the Acts of the Apostles (see Christian communism), was an early form of communism. The view is that communism was just Christianity in practice and Jesus Christ was himself a communist(I'd say socialist). This link was highlighted in one of Marx's early writings which stated: "As Christ is the intermediary unto whom man unburdens all his divinity, all his religious bonds, so the state is the mediator unto which he transfers all his Godlessness, all his human liberty". Furthermore, the Marxist ethos that aims for unity reflects the Christian universalist teaching that humankind is one and that there is only one god who does not discriminate among people. Pre-Marxist communism was also present in the attempts to establish communistic societies such as those made by the Essenes and by the Judean desert sect.

Furthermore, Thomas Müntzer led a large Anabaptist communist movement during the German Peasants' War.


Only those corrupted by selfish desires, material wealth, and those tempted by those things(obviously tempted by the rich), love capitalism. And of course the decieved.

Capitalism was built on wars(stealing other people's land), heavy taxation and slavery.

I'm still waiting for you to answer if America should give back the land they stole from the British?LOL
No they should give back the land they stole from the indigenous peoples.
 

Temujin

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No they should give back the land they stole from the indigenous peoples.
Sparta was a militaristic oligarchy that relied on slavery. It was also heavily into child exposure and homosexuality was expected of elite men. Not really an ideal model for modern society.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Sparta was a militaristic oligarchy that relied on slavery. It was also heavily into child exposure and homosexuality was expected of elite men. Not really an ideal model for modern society.
Your backwater tribal islander cultures relied on slave trading.

Your Red Commie Bros still enslave people. Atheistas.
 

wiseones2cents

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No they should give back the land they stole from the indigenous peoples.
Therefore England should give back all the land they conquered also? Would you agree? last time I checked, Canada was also ruled by indigenous people. Most likely Australia too.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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So Cuban docs are slaves owned by the State and make 50 dollars a month.

California slave labor

In exchange for extremely dangerous work, prisoners earn time off their sentences and are paid between $2 and $5 a day, plus $1 per hour when they are on a fire
$5 a day is more than slaves who are Doc in Cuba "earn"

Under socialism, the Personal Income is state property and the State decides how much you need.

"to each according to their need" State defines need. You don't.

The Hoe VP kept black slaves in jail longer after their release dates to make profit on slave labor.

Red Communism is the purest form of socialism. The Red Commie orthodox socialism still has a thriving underground capitalist economy of bribes and such.

Socialists hate freedom.
 

Temujin

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Your backwater tribal islander cultures relied on slave trading.

Your Red Commie Bros still enslave people. Atheistas.
Your ancestors bought the slaves we traded. You still treat them like slaves. It's your country that is failing to deal with the aftermath of slavery, driven by Christian justification of the practice.
 

wiseones2cents

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Sparta was a militaristic oligarchy that relied on slavery. It was also heavily into child exposure and homosexuality was expected of elite men. Not really an ideal model for modern society.

Yet the intellectuals of that time in Greece all raved about Spartas socialism.


Sparta was unique in ancient Greece for its social system and constitution,


Sparta had a double effect on Greek thought: through the reality, and through the myth.... The reality enabled the Spartans to defeat Athens in war; the myth influenced Plato's political theory, and that of countless subsequent writers.... [The] ideals that it favors had a great part in framing the doctrines of Rousseau, Nietzsche, and National Socialism

Also I read this. Sounds like the men were castrated to me.LOL Which would explain loving each other,
Maybe thats why women in Sparta were able to walk around freely without a male guard. No chance of getting raped.lol


Spartan women were famous in ancient Greece for having more freedom than women elsewhere in the Greek world. To contemporaries outside of Sparta, Spartan women had a reputation for promiscuity and controlling their husbands. Unlike their Athenian counterparts, Spartan women could legally own and inherit property and they were usually better educated.

Aristotle criticized the Spartan state primarily for the power that their women owned more over property and men.


Did they engage in homosexual activity?? Apparently showing signs of physical affection were frowned upon according to Xenophon and Plutarch

Plutarch wrote:

Affectionate regard for boys of good character was permissible, but embracing them was held to be disgraceful, on the ground that the affection was for the body and not for the mind. Any man against whom complaint was made of any disgraceful embracing was deprived of all civic rights for life. (Moralia, The Ancient Customs of the Spartans,

Also the state was named after the daughter of the King( Sparta), who had no male heir, She and her husband made all the reforms. Sounds like she wore the pants. LOL

Anyways, we are talking about social systems. Sparta also had 2 kings and 2 judical houses for checks and balances and a constitution.
 
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