New Light

dcforrey

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You wrote “I trust them the same as trusting God and his son.”
You call them “imperfect men” and yet you trust them the same way you trust Jehovah?

Are those men worthy of that kind of trust? I assume that you believe that God never makes errors, and yet you actually trust a group of men in the same way you trust God Himself?

Can you explain to me why that is not idolatry?

Psalm 118:8 It is better to take refuge in Jehovah than to trust in humans. (New World Translation)
 

dcforrey

Member
One of the consequences of continually producing “new light” was the birth of the “True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses”, an entirely separate group of Witnesses who left the Watchtower Society because they were shocked and offended by the change in the meaning of “superior authorities”. Until 1929 the “superior authorities” were defined as “Gentile governments”. In 1929 that was changed to mean “Jehovah and his exalted Son Jesus Christ”. Then in 1962 there was yet another change – this time it was back to the earlier “governments” again. There were many thousands who were shocked by this. Most of them lived in Europe.

Here is part of their statement referring to the Watchtower Society (the English translation is not ideal, but it gets the meaning across):
“Will they obey Jehovah God and continue to proclaim God’s ordained message or will they water it down, sugar-coat it with compromise, or will they quit altogether and run for cover? Will they stick to the organization Jehovah is now using in the earth or will they attempt to break away from the theocratic organization and set up one of their own design and making?”.

And so did happen! The result of the attack [from Satan] brought many changes as regards the understanding of the biblical prophecies and also in the Christians behaviour. Therefore, those "witnesses" who accepted "the new work", under "the new organization", changed more and more and got so close to the world, that they are just like the rest of the "religious people".
“For all that, amazingly, Watchtower Society, in the WT from October, November and December
1962, from unknown motives, ignored the light growth between 1918-1962, according Proverbs 4:18, goes back on the same religious misunderstanding, for which God had already punished them once, permitting the Satan organization`s leaders to drag they in spiritual slavery to modern Babylon.”


In recent years the “True Faith” group has added many other reasons they believe that the Watchtower Society became Satan’s organization.
 

imJRR

Well-known member
One of the consequences of continually producing “new light” was the birth of the “True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses”, an entirely separate group of Witnesses who left the Watchtower Society because they were shocked and offended by the change in the meaning of “superior authorities”. Until 1929 the “superior authorities” were defined as “Gentile governments”. In 1929 that was changed to mean “Jehovah and his exalted Son Jesus Christ”. Then in 1962 there was yet another change – this time it was back to the earlier “governments” again. There were many thousands who were shocked by this. Most of them lived in Europe.

Here is part of their statement referring to the Watchtower Society (the English translation is not ideal, but it gets the meaning across):
“Will they obey Jehovah God and continue to proclaim God’s ordained message or will they water it down, sugar-coat it with compromise, or will they quit altogether and run for cover? Will they stick to the organization Jehovah is now using in the earth or will they attempt to break away from the theocratic organization and set up one of their own design and making?”.

And so did happen! The result of the attack [from Satan] brought many changes as regards the understanding of the biblical prophecies and also in the Christians behaviour. Therefore, those "witnesses" who accepted "the new work", under "the new organization", changed more and more and got so close to the world, that they are just like the rest of the "religious people".
“For all that, amazingly, Watchtower Society, in the WT from October, November and December
1962, from unknown motives, ignored the light growth between 1918-1962, according Proverbs 4:18, goes back on the same religious misunderstanding, for which God had already punished them once, permitting the Satan organization`s leaders to drag they in spiritual slavery to modern Babylon.”


In recent years the “True Faith” group has added many other reasons they believe that the Watchtower Society became Satan’s organization.

I have never heard of this group and would like to know more about it. Is it based in Europe?



Oh, by the way - I have VERY serious doubts that you're going to receive what can truly be called an honest answer/explanation to the question you asked keiw. The posting history does not really inspire much confidence at all.
 

keiw

Well-known member
You wrote “I trust them the same as trusting God and his son.”
You call them “imperfect men” and yet you trust them the same way you trust Jehovah?

Are those men worthy of that kind of trust? I assume that you believe that God never makes errors, and yet you actually trust a group of men in the same way you trust God Himself?

Can you explain to me why that is not idolatry?

Psalm 118:8 It is better to take refuge in Jehovah than to trust in humans. (New World Translation)
Luke 10:16--He that listens to you(Jesus' appointed teachers) listens to me( Jesus) , and he that disregards you disregards me. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards him that sent me forth.)= God.--Easy to understand. straight from Jesus.
 

dcforrey

Member
I have never heard of this group and would like to know more about it. Is it based in Europe?



Oh, by the way - I have VERY serious doubts that you're going to receive what can truly be called an honest answer/explanation to the question you asked keiw. The posting history does not really inspire much confidence at all.
It takes a bit of searching. This group appears to be mainly in Romania.

 

imJRR

Well-known member
No darkness here - Certainly not because you say so.

What I've posted regarding the inability of your posts to actually, truly provide honest answers and explanations is accurate. It is the recorded posting history here, and anyone can review the posts and very, very easily see this for themselves.
 

dcforrey

Member
An excerpt from “THE CALLING TO WISDOM” is about a few of the changes that triggered the split. The English is a little cumbersome, but it’s adequate to convey their meaning. Note that one of their problems was the 1975 prediction.


In the year 1963, many meaning changes were made in the new reviews which were published: the revising of the book “Let God Be True”, chapter 18 “The Greeting and Politics”; also the book " Make Sure of All Things" the chapter entitled "Higher Authorities"; then, for those who wanted to be christened, appeared 70 questions among which there was also the question: “Do you admit that Romans 13 refers to the political authorities?”; further on, the review "Christians and Dance" was published where it is permitted to the Christian to dance as David or Jephthah's daughter; also, appeared changes as regarded Solomon’s resurrection, although the review “Wise Lessons for the Present Time” showed clearly that Solomon died faithless like an animal; here can’t be missed the publication from 1967-1968, which announced that, in the year 1975 would break out the Armageddon, although we knew that something like that, wasn’t possible, that the human being is not capable to specify or to know this thing.
 

keiw

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No darkness here - Certainly not because you say so.

What I've posted regarding the inability of your posts to actually, truly provide honest answers and explanations is accurate. It is the recorded posting history here, and anyone can review the posts and very, very easily see this for themselves.
I use the bible and what it actually teaches. You cant understand the bible because you are taught by these-2Cor 11:12-15= the darkness that looks like light.
 

imJRR

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I use the bible and what it actually teaches. You cant understand the bible because you are taught by these-2Cor 11:12-15= the darkness that looks like light.

Actually, keiw, your posts show repeatedly that you MIS-use the Bible - quite blatantly at times.

For instance, your post #44: Luke 10:16--He that listens to you(Jesus' appointed teachers) listens to me( Jesus) , and he that disregards you disregards me. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards him that sent me forth.)= God.--Easy to understand. straight from Jesus.

There's no biblical evidence anywhere that your JW masters are Christ's "appointed teachers". That idea is a total and complete fantasy on your part that you have no way of showing and proving. You've been challenged about this before, and all you did was run away to another subject.
 

keiw

Well-known member
Actually, keiw, your posts show repeatedly that you MIS-use the Bible - quite blatantly at times.

For instance, your post #44: Luke 10:16--He that listens to you(Jesus' appointed teachers) listens to me( Jesus) , and he that disregards you disregards me. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards him that sent me forth.)= God.--Easy to understand. straight from Jesus.

There's no biblical evidence anywhere that your JW masters are Christ's "appointed teachers". That idea is a total and complete fantasy on your part that you have no way of showing and proving. You've been challenged about this before, and all you did was run away to another subject.
The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth back the JW teachers--You should learn them. The undeniable fact that the Israelites served a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah) backs them as well--So where does that leave the rest?
 

imJRR

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Nope. You've already been shown Scriptures in legitimate Bibles that refute JW teachings in other posts - and all your posts have EVER done is run away from those.

The fact, truth, and reality is that JW beliefs do not come from the Scriptures, and your JW masters officially ADMIT to this. That's already been shown and proven in another thread; and again - All your posts have EVER done is run away from their admission.
 

keiw

Well-known member
Nope. You've already been shown Scriptures in legitimate Bibles that refute JW teachings in other posts - and all your posts have EVER done is run away from those.

The fact, truth, and reality is that JW beliefs do not come from the Scriptures, and your JW masters officially ADMIT to this. That's already been shown and proven in another thread; and again - All your posts have EVER done is run away from their admission.
There is nothing legitimate in bibles that have been altered by the removal of Gods name by satans will to mislead. One is only fooling themselves thinking so. You are twisting what they said.
 

imJRR

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No, keiw, I haven't twisted anything. The admission by your JW masters is a quote by them. They have openly admitted and declared that a person cannot and will not ever arrive at JW beliefs by reading the Bible no matter how much Bible reading they do.
This has already been shown and proven in another thread - and all your posts have EVER done is deny what your JW masters have admitted and cravenly run away from it.
 

dcforrey

Member
From the Geoffrey Jackson ARC testimony p15939: “Now, the Governing Body realises that if we were to give some direction that is not in harmony with God's word, all of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide who have the Bible would notice that and they would see that it was wrong direction. So we have responsibilities as guardians to make sure that everything is scripturally acceptable. So if the direction given is scripturally correct, then we would expect that these members of the branch committee, who themselves also are Christians, who accept the constitution, would follow that direction.”

Is he actually claiming that people around the world who receive direction from the Governing Body have the freedom to object to that direction if they believe it is not scriptural?

And if people around the world are the ones who can initiate a change in direction, then where does the “new light” actually come from? From the Governing Body, or from “Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide”?
 

keiw

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No, keiw, I haven't twisted anything. The admission by your JW masters is a quote by them. They have openly admitted and declared that a person cannot and will not ever arrive at JW beliefs by reading the Bible no matter how much Bible reading they do.
This has already been shown and proven in another thread - and all your posts have EVER done is deny what your JW masters have admitted and cravenly run away from it.
Not one on earth can understand the bible without being taught by these-Matt 24:45--Its why there are hundreds of religions claiming to be christian, all with different truths-Why? They cannot understand the bible, 99% of them are in darkness-1 single religion( 1 Cor 1:10) has Jesus. Being lead by these-Matt 24:45
 

imJRR

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Not one on earth can understand the bible without being taught by these-Matt 24:45--Its why there are hundreds of religions claiming to be christian, all with different truths-Why? They cannot understand the bible, 99% of them are in darkness-1 single religion( 1 Cor 1:10) has Jesus. Being lead by these-Matt 24:45

Nope - Your post is total, false fantasy. Here's why that's true: There is nothing in the way of real, actual evidence that shows and proves that your JW masters are the f&ds. The ONLY reason JWs believe they are is because they say they are.
 

dcforrey

Member
Not one on earth can understand the bible without being taught by these-Matt 24:45--Its why there are hundreds of religions claiming to be christian, all with different truths-Why? They cannot understand the bible, 99% of them are in darkness-1 single religion( 1 Cor 1:10) has Jesus. Being lead by these-Matt 24:45
What is the difference between “hundreds of religions” and the Watchtower? If they all have “different truths”, is that not even more true about the Watchtower Society?

The Watchtower Society is one of those “hundreds of religions”, and I can’t think of any other religion that changes it’s “truth” more frequently. How do you know that the “truth” you believe in right now is actually truth? How can you be totally sure until you know that the Governing body has stopped changing what you are told to believe? In fact, have you noticed that Proverbs 4:19 comes right after Proverbs 4:18? Here it is: “The way of the wicked is like the darkness; They do not know what makes them stumble.”

The Society used to celebrate Christmas and birthdays. That means that many of the anointed people celebrated things that would cause someone to be disfellowshipped today. Do you believe that those people were truly part of the anointed class, or were they in “darkness” (Proverbs 4:19)?
 
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