No Jab for me...here's why...Web site

[Authentic Nouveau]

My husband IS a pastor and he would never claim to be an expert on vaccines. Nor has our present pastor. All our synod did was release this information so parishioners could make an informed decision, and not violate their consciences:

Update: COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates and Abortion-Derived Cell Lines - Lozier Institute

Updated June 2, 2021 Accurate information about the development and production of COVID-19 vaccines is essential, especially because many proposed candidates use newer molecular technologies for production of a viral vaccine. One concern regarding the ethical assessment of viral vaccine...

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Our Bishop had EDIT Racially insensitive
His Engineering Masters work was in Nuclear Medical engineering. The engineering of imaging diagnostic technology
We have 14 ordained pastors in our Church. One a PhD in Lab science, and M.D. Another M.D. both which serve in our church free clinic.
Another with a M.S. in anatomy and physiology. A Pharm D.
Our Sunday School Director is an aerospace Engineering top executive. We have a hospital lab manager. i think she just retired.
We have plenty of vaccine experts because many of our members that are medical professionals do foreign missions services in medical clinics.

Our church's calling is soul winning.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

No experimenting on pregnant women. Dr. Peter McCullough...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1399880357923627009

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The Jab
The experiment

Moderna and BioNtech are rookies. Neither one have ever developed a real drug. They are new and trying to learn.
They want their jabs to work. Please help them out.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Why should I listen to a pastor about vaccines? Is he a doctor, epidemiologist, infectious disease specialist?

Are you?
Should we listen to BioNTech or Moderna who are new Bio start-up babies?
Should we give Quack FaoChi another chance?

Our church opened our medical clinic a dozen years ago.
Should we listen to Biden Brain?

 

[Magdalena]

The Jab
The experiment

Moderna and BioNtech are rookies. Neither one have ever developed a real drug. They are new and trying to learn.
They want their jabs to work. Please help them out.

Just say no!

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Just say no!

Abstinence!

 

[Magdalena]

Abstinence!

lol... totally

 

[Bonnie]

Yes. Approval wouldnt change what’s in it. Many approved drugs have been shown later on to cause cancer, disabilities or death.

This is true. Look at that diet pill that came out some time ago--Fenn-fenn? Not sure. But vaccines are not the same thing as medicine one takes to cure something, or treat an illness, but are to prevent it.

 

[Bonnie]

Funny not funny

How many have NOT been reported?

How do we know if VAERS is recording all that are submitted?

How do you know it is NOT?

Have you forgotten the VAERS disclaimer?

- No Jab for me...here's why...Web site

That is true. But it has been in the news. And that pastor should do his homework and tell his parishioners about it, so they could email VAERS. There is a form for doing so on its website. So the pastor should search to find out if there’s a VAERS out there and not the patients? Maybe when...

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[Bonnie]

You didn't investigate. If truth matters, why do you link to fact checkers who don't investigate?

Yes, i did investigate. And the fact checkers also investigated. You would know that if you had read my post. Like Reuters, USAToday, and others.

You have never hired a doctor. You have never hired PhD's who have done a lot of science research>

So? But I have put down lots of links to scientific and medical journals and sites that have investigated. Written by people who ARE doctors and scientists. I can give you a partial list of the sites, if you like. I have put it down earlier on here.

You have never hired a senior Director of Epidemiology for a large teaching hospital.

So?

You have never had a pharmaceutical company spend thousands of dollars to try to hire you.

So?

 

[Bonnie]

And you link to fact check bloggers.

Reuters and USAToday are not blogs. They are news sites.

Why? You sure are fond of wild ideas from fact check bloggers.

These sources investigated...which is more than some posters on here have done.

You ever worked in a real hospital lab?

No.

You do not fact check. That is using second hand opinions from out siders.

Yes, I did investigate. I used many online scientific and medical sources and journals. So do fact check sites.

You are a science research outsider.

I don't need to be since I was investigating the veracity of an on-line article, not doing medical research.

The NN article was false. Live with it.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, it does matter, because truth matters.

You did not answer my question about the article from NN--Did you investigate its veracity before posting it?

NN pointed to an article that showed the VAERS report which said a 2 year old died. The CDC in an effort to dismiss it claimed it was fake. I tend to think it was real. Considering the jab can and as killed people...a 2 year old dying doesn't surprise me.

Yes, and I also know the potential problems of many who get covid--even children.

Balshan showed links that proved that young people can get the disease and die from it.

And typically those children have other issues. Compared to the older people....its extremely rare.

And what right have you to judge my daughter and her husband in what they did? They did what they thought was best--just as most parents try to do, even those who do not want their children vaccinated. Would you like it if parents who had had their children vaccinated said that those who refuse to do so should be arrested for child abuse?

Sorry, but they've been lied to and snookered. If they re girls...I hope they can still have children. Your daughter should have looked deeper into the issue before having their kids jabbed. You knowing what the jab can do and does often do should have warned them.

Now, DID you check out the veracity of that NN article, before posting it? I would be interested to know.

NN almost always has a link to where they get their information. If I'm interested in the article I'll visit that link.

 

[CrowCross]

One reason I have seen on here is because it does not yet have full FDA approval, though the makers of both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have applied for it. If they get it, will the anti-C-vaccers still think it is "poison"?

There is a lot of money to be made from the jab...and its boosters. Of course it will be approved.

Another reason is that this type of vaccine is new, though the technology and biology behind it have been known for some time. Some people tend to distrust and fear what is new.

There is reason to distrust and fear the jab. You know that.

 

[CrowCross]

Funny not funny

How many have NOT been reported?

How do we know if VAERS is recording all that are submitted?

Who knows...or like the case with the 2 yr old..the label it as false and reject the report.

 

[Algor]

Our Bishop had Chiner Fru
His Engineering Masters work was in Nuclear Medical engineering. The engineering of imaging diagnostic technology
We have 14 ordained pastors in our Church. One a PhD in Lab science, and M.D. Another M.D. both which serve in our church free clinic.
Another with a M.S. in anatomy and physiology. A Pharm D.
Our Sunday School Director is an aerospace Engineering top executive. We have a hospital lab manager. i think she just retired.
We have plenty of vaccine experts because many of our members that are medical professionals do foreign missions services in medical clinics.

Our church's calling is soul winning.

Do they win souls by making racist jokes like "Chiner Fru"? It's contemptible, and unfunny. Nobody uses it but you.

"chiner fru" - Google Search

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Here's a suggestion: go to a first generation Chinese immigrant and use the term. How do you think they will react? EDITED BY MOD--RULE 12 VIOLATION

 

[vibise]

Well, I believe you were one of the acccount deniers....anti VAIR. So i posted some proof. You don't want to hear it...fine with me.

You seem to hold a lot of false beliefs. I never said I was anti-VAERS, but like others here, I note that reports of health issues after vaccination do not translate into cause and effect. Correlation is not causation.

Same with this pastor. He is not a medical professional, and if he wants people to report negative reactions, he should direct them to report those experiences to the proper medical authorities.

 

[CrowCross]

You seem to hold a lot of false beliefs. I never said I was anti-VAERS, but like others here, I note that reports of health issues after vaccination do not translate into cause and effect. Correlation is not causation.

Same with this pastor. He is not a medical professional, and if he wants people to report negative reactions, he should direct them to report those experiences to the proper medical authorities.

Well, perhaps...but I think the idea was to present the cases in a public forum easy for people to hear. Personally I appreciated it as I don't spend my time reading VAERS reports.

 

[Thistle]

That’s incredible. That’s the kind of information people need to make good decisions.

One of the points that he was making included the idea that some of these pessimistically views of the current vaccines that it was going to have to be supplemented by various kinds of boosters which would be developed later may turn out to be too pessimistic. Of course this is a different point, but the current vaccines really are't trying to develop T cell immunity, which is really the kind that would be most helpful, and most durable. With all of these mixed signals and cross signals, intelligence people trying to address the situation with the best inside they can, it seems to almost be the very definition of unsettled of science.

 

[Bonnie]

Well, perhaps...but I think the idea was to present the cases in a public forum easy for people to hear. Personally I appreciated it as I don't spend my time reading VAERS reports.

But you DO spend your time reading Natural News....right?

 

[Bonnie]

You seem to hold a lot of false beliefs. I never said I was anti-VAERS, but like others here, I note that reports of health issues after vaccination do not translate into cause and effect. Correlation is not causation.

Same with this pastor. He is not a medical professional, and if he wants people to report negative reactions, he should direct them to report those experiences to the proper medical authorities.

Yes, that is why the VAERS calls them "events" not "side effects."

I wonder if this pastor even knows about VAERS, or even that people can report the supposed side effects to the vaccine companies. I mean, it was on the printout I got, and on the one my husband got. We both got side-effects from our vaccines that were already well-documented, so we didn't bother reporting them. They were not unusual or unprecedented.

 

[Bonnie]

Do they win souls by making racist jokes like "Chiner Fru"? It's contemptible, and unfunny. Nobody uses it but you.

"chiner fru" - Google Search

www.google.com

Here's a suggestion: go to a first generation Chinese immigrant and use the term. How do you think they will react? EDITED BY MOD--RULE 12 VIOLATION

I thought of that myself, that it sounds a bit...racist. Just call it by its proper name--covid-19. Or even "Wuhan flu" even though it isn't a flu virus. But it did originate in Wuhan, China.