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I have no issues that would be you . I can reconcile Pentecost was a one time event that was prophecied.
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TomFL
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Thats right you can't
for the promise of the indwelling spirit and enablement (Ezek 36) was eschatological and is fulfilled only in the new Covenant
as was the promise of the law written on the heart Jer 31:31
The Spirit however was with the old covenant peoples
And dwelt in the temple
Only in the new covenant do all believers become God's temple
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Sorry but you cannot prove what happened on the day of pentecost was a one time event whether you claim it was the fulfillment of the promise of the indwelling Spirit in the new covenant manner or even just a charasmatic outpouring
and you have offered no proof to the contrary
and we have already seen two examples of the Spirit being received as well as a promise that it is for all
as well as multiple outpourings of the Spirit
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Look up the word “ Pent” a cost . 50 days after the resurrection means something. It’s a precise / exact day. God is an exacting Lord who had the day of the crucifixion, days in the grave, resurrection , Ascension, Day of Pentecost all planned out with precision .
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TomFL
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You quoted a verse that did not speak of Abraham or the old covenant era
as I already noted
the promise of the spirit was future to Abraham in the old covenant era
again Ezekiel 36; Joel 2 Jeremiah 31 were all future promises in the old covenant era
Why because you don't have one nor does one appear anywhere in the bible ?
Should we ignore the fact that John told us the spirits coming was dependant upon Christ departure and glorification ?
Faith pleases God Heb 11
In the flesh refers to a carnal mind
Romans 8:7 (KJV)
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
a mind that seeks only earthly pleasures
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TomFL
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Except I clearly spoke of what events transpired on that day not the day itself
Did you not see
Sorry but you cannot prove what happened on the day of pentecost was a one time event whether you claim it was the fulfillment of the promise of the indwelling Spirit in the new covenant manner or even just a charasmatic outpouring
and you have offered no proof to the contrary
and we have already seen two examples of the Spirit being received as well as a promise that it is for all
as well as multiple outpourings of the Spirit
and the fact I also noted to you when you suggested pentecost was unique
The day not what happened on that day
Now do you want to deal with what I was speaking about ?
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TomFL
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Where did you see any mention of multiple days of pentecost
I mentioned only the events of that day
i.e. men receiving the spirit or even a charismatic outpouring if you view that is all that happened on the day of pentecost
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Read your Bible as the DAY of Pentecost was just that, the day which was prophecied and fulfilled as per Peter saying it was fulfilled on that very DAY in Acts 2.
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BTW I’m done with the Pentecost argument . It’s not up for debate. It’s like arguing with seth over Jesus humanity .
Theo1689
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I don’t remember ever arguing with anyone that the day of Pentecost was not a specific day on Gods calendar. This is a first for me lol.Have you ever seen Tom and Seth logged in at the same time....?
What about you ?
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TomFL
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Did you not read
How many times do you need to be told I am speaking of what happened on that day not the day itself
Except I clearly spoke of what events transpired on that day not the day itself
Did you not see
Sorry but you cannot prove what happened on the day of pentecost was a one time event whether you claim it was the fulfillment of the promise of the indwelling Spirit in the new covenant manner or even just a charasmatic outpouring
and you have offered no proof to the contrary
and we have already seen two examples of the Spirit being received as well as a promise that it is for all
as well as multiple outpourings of the Spirit
and the fact I also noted to you when you suggested pentecost was unique
The day not what happened on that day
Now do you want to deal with what I was actually speaking about ?
Ladodgers6
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Sure, this same old argument, of God dragging people into heaven kicking & screaming. You obviously need to go back and study Scripture.
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TomFL
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And you still were not
Did you not see that ?
I have posted it multiple times and even described what i was talking about
Sorry but you cannot prove what happened on the day of pentecost was a one time event whether you claim it was the fulfillment of the promise of the indwelling Spirit in the new covenant manner or even just a charasmatic outpouring
and you have offered no proof to the contrary
and we have already seen two examples of the Spirit being received as well as a promise that it is for all
as well as multiple outpourings of the Spirit
and the fact I also noted to you when you suggested pentecost was unique
The day not what happened on that day
again the spirit being poured out and charismatic happenings
preacher4truth
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Still waiting for @TomFL to answer a couple of my posts and supply a verse to prove his claim on one.
"Sorry
You can't answer
You have no Scripture
Hello"
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TomFL
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Nonsense it is unrelated and you totally failed to read and understand what was being stated
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The day not what happened on that day and in that regard you are still ignoring the scriptures posted Sorry the indwelling of the Spirit is not a one time event and you just ignored two scriptures disproving that Acts 15:8 (KJV) 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness...
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ReverendRV
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How can Civic ever fail??
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TomFL
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The fact the only time the bible speaks of the spirit filling anyone
the reference was to a prophet, leader or king
and prophesies of a general filling were eschatological in nature fulfilled in the new covenant
example Ezek 36; Joel 2
as I have noted a number of times now
but it appears you ignored it
SovereignGrace
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Then it happened when he turned his back to leave Samuel, God changed his heart; and all those signs came about on that day. When they came to the hill there, behold, a group of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him mightily, so that he prophesied among them.[1 Samuel 10:9-10]
This was referring to Saul. We know that Saul’s ending was not good, yet here the Spirit of God came upon him and he prophesied. So, even when the Spirit moved ppl, it wasn’t always the saved that He moved.
Theo1689
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So was Elizabeth (Luke 1:41) "a prophet, leader or king"?
Was everyone in Ephesus (Eph. 5:18) "a prophet, leader or king"?