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Electric Skeptic

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Do you think the same is true on the other side?

Do you see examples of Democrats accusing Republicans of certain things for which they are guilty?

And this question is not directed just at Whateverman. This question is directed at ANYONE.

Does anyone here think this is true. "Biden accuses Trump of X because he is actually that way...." Give me a solid example. Or three.
I don't think there's much that both parties aren't guilty of. Whatever one of them accuses the other of doing, they've done themselves at some time. I think because of their policies some offences are viewed as more egregious. For example, a Republican - conservative, strong on the family, anti-gay - who is found to have a closet male lover is likely to be viewed as a huge hypocrite. A Democrat with the same lover is not likely to be considered so scandalous. Yet both are cheating on their wives, both might well have spent tax dollars on him and so forth.

I don't support the Democrats because I think they're better people or more trustworthy or nobler than the Republicans. I support them because their policies tend to be much closer to my own positions than those of the Republicans. I know that if the Dems are in power, legislation passed is hugely more likely to be something I think is a good idea.

The exception to all of the above is, of course, Trump. There's never been anybody like him (well, not in my memory). The things he's done haven't been done by the other side. And never before (and hopefully never after) by his own side, either.
 

HillsboroMom

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First of all... it’s Q. Not Qanon.
There’s Q... and then there’s Anons.
And critical thinking is essential to even somewhat understanding what‘s going on.

Don’t try to gaslight people. It just makes you look bad.
The movement is called "QAnon." Capital Q, capital A, and then lowercase n-o-n.

Critical thinking is completely absent from the conspiracy theories which Q has spewed. Here are a few:

Democrats are Satan-worshipers.​

Now, see, this is ludicrous. 31% of US Citizens identify as Democrat. That means that, according to Q, there 100 million Satan-worshippers walking the streets. So 1 in every 3 people is a servant of the Dark Lord. You seriously believe that? The only way you can believe that is if you suspend all critical thinking. Because as soon as you engage your brain -- or what little of it you have left after listening to Q for 5 minutes -- you will recognize how utterly ridiculous that is. That's not about corruption or "deep state." That's just insanity.

COVID is no worse than the flu​

This is easily disproven. The flu kills around 30-40 thousand people each year. COVID has killed 400,000 this year. 10 times as many. But then, math obviously isn't the strong suit of someone who believes anything from Q.

The problem is, THIS INFORMATION IS KILLING PEOPLE. People believe this falsehood, and refuse to wear a mask or socially distance, and it's causing further spread, and more deaths. The US has 4% of the world's population and 25% of the world's COVID cases. That's because of QAnon followers. Everyone who follows Q is responsible for all those deaths. If Q is ever found, he or she should be tried for attempted genocide, and be treated like Hitler. Anyone who furthers or supports Q is as bad as a Nazi.

The Cabal that Controls Everything drink Children's Blood​

Child trafficking is real. Children are kidnapped, or run away and find themselves sold in a slave trade that is tragic and horrific. No one is denying that it happens, or that when it happens it is wrong, or that we should expend resources to stop it.

Where QAnon leaves the tragedy station and boards the Crazy Train is when they start talking about who is responsible for these abductions, and why they happen. They're claiming that high-ranking leaders in the Democratic party -- including the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bidens, and anyone else they throw in there -- want to drink the blood of these children because they contain some ingredient that can be used to grant eternal life.

This is one of Q's theories.

And if you follow Q, you should be institutionalized and heavily medicated. Because if you believe that crap, you are bat-guano crazy.
Seriously. Seriously? Seriously.

You want to be taken seriously, and you spew this crap? No. Just, no.

Trump won the 2020 election in a landslide, but it was stolen from him​

Trump lost the election because he was unpopular. His approval rating was never over 50% the entire 4 years he was in office. During the last 12 months it was around 30%. And you can't wrap your brain around the fact that if only 30% of Americans approve of the job he's doing, then maybe, just maybe, only 30% of Americans voted for him, you ignorami?

I am not a Democrat. I am registered with the "Family Values Party" in Oregon. I have serious problems with a lot of the policies of the Democratic Party, especially their foreign policies. I did not like Hillary Clinton, and I hold the party responsible for the train-wreck that was the Trump presidency.

And even I can tell that Q is either one of the most successful trolls in the history of the internet, or one crazy mother pupper.

Seriously, people. You make Americans look bad. We are a shoot-hold country, thanks to you.
 

HillsboroMom

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I don't think there's much that both parties aren't guilty of. Whatever one of them accuses the other of doing, they've done themselves at some time. I think because of their policies some offences are viewed as more egregious. For example, a Republican - conservative, strong on the family, anti-gay - who is found to have a closet male lover is likely to be viewed as a huge hypocrite. A Democrat with the same lover is not likely to be considered so scandalous. Yet both are cheating on their wives, both might well have spent tax dollars on him and so forth.

I don't support the Democrats because I think they're better people or more trustworthy or nobler than the Republicans. I support them because their policies tend to be much closer to my own positions than those of the Republicans. I know that if the Dems are in power, legislation passed is hugely more likely to be something I think is a good idea.

The exception to all of the above is, of course, Trump. There's never been anybody like him (well, not in my memory). The things he's done haven't been done by the other side. And never before (and hopefully never after) by his own side, either.
I appreciate your logic here.

I don't support the Democrats unless the Republicans are SO bad that they need to be stopped (as was the case this year), or there aren't any decent 3rd party candidates running for whatever position I'm voting for.

I have a lot of problems with the current 2-party system, and I think it is partially to blame for the dumpster fire that was The Trump Presidency (shudder). I would like to see us move to a more representative system like many other countries have, with smaller coalitions that join forces on specific issues. For example, the Greens and the Libertarians would agree on some issues, and could completely dismantle the corruption that has caused, among other things, this whole GameStop controversy. Just as an example.
 

DeSanto

Well-known member
The movement is called "QAnon." Capital Q, capital A, and then lowercase n-o-n.
Says who? The meeeeeeedia?
Critical thinking is completely absent from the conspiracy theories which Q has spewed. Here are a few:
Okay, but please quote from the source if you are claiming to make statements of fact...
Democrats are Satan-worshipers.
Now, see, this is ludicrous. 31% of US Citizens identify as Democrat. That means that, according to Q, there 100 million Satan-worshippers walking the streets. So 1 in every 3 people is a servant of the Dark Lord. You seriously believe that? The only way you can believe that is if you suspend all critical thinking. Because as soon as you engage your brain -- or what little of it you have left after listening to Q for 5 minutes -- you will recognize how utterly ridiculous that is. That's not about corruption or "deep state." That's just insanity.
Link???

COVID is no worse than the flu​

This is easily disproven. The flu kills around 30-40 thousand people each year. COVID has killed 400,000 this year. 10 times as many. But then, math obviously isn't the strong suit of someone who believes anything from Q.
I don’t recall reading that in the q post. Do you have a quote?
The problem is, THIS INFORMATION IS KILLING PEOPLE.
Information does not kill people 🙄.

Geez, get a grip.
People believe this falsehood,
How do I know the information you’re spewing isn’t FALSE?
and refuse to wear a mask or socially distance, and it's causing further spread, and more deaths. The US has 4% of the world's population and 25% of the world's COVID cases. That's because of QAnon followers. Everyone who follows Q is responsible for all those deaths. If Q is ever found, he or she should be tried for attempted genocide, and be treated like Hitler. Anyone who furthers or supports Q is as bad as a Nazi.

The Cabal that Controls Everything drink Children's Blood​

Child trafficking is real. Children are kidnapped, or run away and find themselves sold in a slave trade that is tragic and horrific. No one is denying that it happens, or that when it happens it is wrong, or that we should expend resources to stop it.

Where QAnon leaves the tragedy station and boards the Crazy Train is when they start talking about who is responsible for these abductions, and why they happen. They're claiming that high-ranking leaders in the Democratic party -- including the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bidens, and anyone else they throw in there -- want to drink the blood of these children because they contain some ingredient that can be used to grant eternal life.

This is one of Q's theories.

And if you follow Q, you should be institutionalized and heavily medicated. Because if you believe that crap, you are bat-guano crazy.
Seriously. Seriously? Seriously.

You want to be taken seriously, and you spew this crap? No. Just, no.

Trump won the 2020 election in a landslide, but it was stolen from him​

Trump lost the election because he was unpopular. His approval rating was never over 50% the entire 4 years he was in office. During the last 12 months it was around 30%. And you can't wrap your brain around the fact that if only 30% of Americans approve of the job he's doing, then maybe, just maybe, only 30% of Americans voted for him, you ignorami?

I am not a Democrat. I am registered with the "Family Values Party" in Oregon. I have serious problems with a lot of the policies of the Democratic Party, especially their foreign policies. I did not like Hillary Clinton, and I hold the party responsible for the train-wreck that was the Trump presidency.

And even I can tell that Q is either one of the most successful trolls in the history of the internet, or one crazy mother pupper.

Seriously, people. You make Americans look bad. We are a shoot-hold country, thanks to you.
Wow. You’re a trip!
 

DeSanto

Well-known member
I haven't heard of any Republicans who have been accused of anything by QAnon,
I don’t think Q makes accusations. Q basically asks questions to peak curiosity, to get people to look into stuff and research things. Things the media doesn’t give attention to. And it just so happens a lot of those people have been exposed for doing criminal things. For instance, people that followed q post knew about Jeffrey Epstein long before the media reported on it, and IMO, anons were the ones that helped get that story out from under the media coverup. I think that’s why they work so hard to attack Q and silence those that dare to look into those things. Remember the lady from CNBC that got caught on a hot mic crying about how she had the Epstein story for three years but couldn’t report on it because of threats from the Crown????

One thing I have learned from doing my own research is that Twitter is a huge HUGE host for child porn on its platform. I didn’t get that from Q. I got it from researching and learning how to research these things. The media will never tell you that. But it’s true. And the fbi gets reports on it everyday and does nothing.
with the exception of a handful who are called traitors when they join with Democrats on political issues. (For example, when Liz Cheney voted in favor of impeachment, she was called a traitor. Not accused of any kind of corruption or pedophilia or anything, just called a traitor for going against Trump.)
What has Q said about Liz Cheney? What are you talking about???
Can you give me an example of a Republican whom QAnon actually accused of pedophilia or the kind of deep-state corruption Q claims Democrats are guilty of?
Like I said, I don’t think Q makes outright accusations. But there are many Republicans that have been exposed... as well as Democrats and their staffers and big wig CEO’s, low level dept of state officials, princes, movie moguls and actors and actresses (think NIXVM) ... the list goes on and on... and I think And Q has stated this is not about Reps v. Dems, many times. So, idk what else you need.
 
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HillsboroMom

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Like I said, I don’t think Q makes outright accusations.
I listed 3. There are many others.

But there are many Republicans that have been exposed
I asked for an example of one. Saying "there are many" is not giving me an example of one. Name one.

the list goes on and on... and I think And Q has stated this is not about Reps v. Dems, many times. So, idk what else you need.
Just one. Name one. Or admit you're a POSer
 

Whateverman

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Do you think the same is true on the other side?

Do you see examples of Democrats accusing Republicans of certain things for which they are guilty?

And this question is not directed just at Whateverman. This question is directed at ANYONE.

Does anyone here think this is true. "Biden accuses Trump of X because he is actually that way...." Give me a solid example. Or three.
I would never say Democrats are guilt-free on that score. There MUST be examples of a Dem being guilty of the stuff he/she is accusing Republicans of.

However, it seems to be a matter of routine for Republicans. You might find individual Dems guilty of projection or obfuscation or whatever you'd call it, but unlike the GOP, it's not a feature of their party.

In my opinion
 

Electric Skeptic

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I appreciate your logic here.

I don't support the Democrats unless the Republicans are SO bad that they need to be stopped (as was the case this year), or there aren't any decent 3rd party candidates running for whatever position I'm voting for.

I have a lot of problems with the current 2-party system, and I think it is partially to blame for the dumpster fire that was The Trump Presidency (shudder). I would like to see us move to a more representative system like many other countries have, with smaller coalitions that join forces on specific issues. For example, the Greens and the Libertarians would agree on some issues, and could completely dismantle the corruption that has caused, among other things, this whole GameStop controversy. Just as an example.
I agree with you on the two-party system. I think it's very bad for America. I say 'for America' because of the US governmental system which doesn't necessitate deals and agreements between relatively minor parties to achieve a majority, as do the systems in Australia and England. The end result is you get two (realistic) choices in America - and too often those choices are between 'terrible' and 'slightly less terrible'.
 

HouOz

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Projection seems to be a rightwing value these days, but every once in a while, an example of this rises above the rest.

For the uninitiated, the Qanon mind-worm is based in part on a supposed need to protect children from sexual predation. Pizzagate was just one instance where high-level Democrat politicians and movie stars were accused of running a child pornography ring in the non-existent basement of a pizzeria restaurant.
These predator bastards can hide anywhere and be of any worldview.
I'm just glad another one bites the dust and perhaps he will take more down with him.
Aren't you - or are you more interested in making it about one worldview in particular?
 

Whateverman

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These predator bastards can hide anywhere and be of any worldview.
I'm just glad another one bites the dust and perhaps he will take more down with him.
Aren't you - or are you more interested in making it about one worldview in particular?
That worldview in particular rewards those who blame criminal behavior on different worldviews.

QAnon itself is an attempt to demonize the enemies of the conservative worldview.

Sorry, but if you don't like blame being apportioned to such things, then maybe you should be criticizing QAnon and its supporters in this forum.
 

DeSanto

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I agree with you on the two-party system. I think it's very bad for America. I say 'for America' because of the US governmental system which doesn't necessitate deals and agreements between relatively minor parties to achieve a majority, as do the systems in Australia and England. The end result is you get two (realistic) choices in America - and too often those choices are between 'terrible' and 'slightly less terrible'.
It’s worse than that. The “two-party” system is really just an illusion at this point. Trump has exposed that better than anyone.

Trump was an anomaly. I firmly believe the elections have been rigged for a long time in this country and the “rigging” was somehow averted in 2016. A physical hindrance, perhaps... preventing the scripts from being deployed (into the machines) and, for the first time in decades, America got a duly elected president.

You saw what happened after that.
 

HouOz

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That worldview in particular rewards those who blame criminal behavior on different worldviews.

QAnon itself is an attempt to demonize the enemies of the conservative worldview.

Sorry, but if you don't like blame being apportioned to such things, then maybe you should be criticizing QAnon and its supporters in this forum.
My point dear chap, was to be grateful that another predator had been exposed and I don't care how that happened.
And as far as demonizing goes, no one group has a monopoly on that front.
QAnon may be extreme and foment conspiracy theories, but for the most part, people know who they are and take what they say with a grain of salt.
Political extremes are evident on both sides of the political spectrum and unfortunately, some are in high profile positions which makes them just as dangerous. Take AOC for example - her views are extreme and polemic.
 

Whateverman

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My point dear chap, was to be grateful that another predator had been exposed and I don't care how that happened.
Unless that predator is a Democrat?

I'm not accusing you personally of anything specific, but it's pretty common here to appeal to political neutrality only when it's politically expedient....

The thread is literally about right-wing conservatives being the thing they organize conspiracy theories around (ie. pedophiles). Yeah, it's great that someone - Democrat or Republican - was caught and (presumably) prosecuted for child pornography. It's a whole different thing when that criminal pushed conspiracy theories about child pornography...
 

bigthinker

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This!

But considering the way the MAGA crowd worships ****** and the ground he walks on... it isn't all that surprising that they would fall for something like Qanon.
That group of people are distinguished in the number of factually unsupported ideas they accept. There's all sorts of things from religion to science to politics etc.
 

Komodo

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That group of people are distinguished in the number of factually unsupported ideas they accept. There's all sorts of things from religion to science to politics etc.
A good recent example of this is the man who destroyed hundreds of vials containing COVID vaccine, because he was sure they contained microchips designed to enslave those who were vaccinated. It turns out he's also a flat-earther.
 

DeSanto

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A good recent example of this is the man who destroyed hundreds of vials containing COVID vaccine, because he was sure they contained microchips designed to enslave those who were vaccinated. It turns out he's also a flat-earther.
Microchips 😂 Those silly flat-earthers!

Don’t they know the difference between microchips and copper-based quantum dot microparticles encapsulated in biocompatible microparticles which emit near-infrared light loaded into microneedle patches that stay under the skin and can be read by specially adapted smartphones?

What is so troublesome about that???

All they want to use it for is data storage, biosensing and recording a patient’s vaccination history.

I mean, come on! That sounds great to me! Who wouldn’t want to have bio-sensors tracking and storing all their data in little micro-needle patches under their skin?

And it can all be delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine???

Bonus!

 
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Komodo

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Microchips 😂 Those silly flat-earthers!

Don’t they know the difference between microchips and copper-based quantum dot microparticles encapsulated in biocompatible microparticles which emit near-infrared light loaded into microneedle patches that stay under the skin and can be read by specially adapted smartphones?

What is so troublesome about that???

All they want to use it for is data storage, biosensing and recording a patient’s vaccination history.

I mean, come on! That sounds great to me! Who wouldn’t want to have bio-sensors tracking and storing all their data in little micro-needle patches under their skin?

And it can all be delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine???

Bonus!

"It is possible to have a small degree of medical information stored under the skin;
"Therefore, there is nothing at all ludicrous, or kooky, or in the slightest degree improbable, about the claim that there are microchips which have the capacity to control your brain and render you submissive to the Deep State."
 

DeSanto

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"It is possible to have a small degree of medical information stored under the skin;
"Therefore, there is nothing at all ludicrous, or kooky, or in the slightest degree improbable, about the claim that there are microchips which have the capacity to control your brain and render you submissive to the Deep State."
Who needs microchips to control your brain when we have the mass media?
 
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