No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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cadwell

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Theo1689 said:
Another admission that you refuse "sola Scriptura", and rely on emotionalism and "feelings", rather than on what God has revealed to us in His word.

Scripture teaches that ALL have sinned.
Christians believe it.
You don't.

Christians love their spouses, yet know that their spouses are sinners, and are just as deserving of hell for their sins as anyone else. Many of these Christian couples may have unbelieving children, whom they love VERY much, but they know their sins will condemn them, unless they look to Christ.

"Feelings" have nothing to do with it.

As Ben Shapiro says, "Facts don't care about your feelings."
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You proved it again, you are projecting your own refusal of sola scriptura onto me. Who cares what Ben Shapiro says, God demanded NO payment for any imaginary sin you place on children. Its not about your feelings, scripture teaches all sinned AFTER giving a bunch of examples of things that are impossible for the scope of life you place on them. But who cares about that right?
 
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civic said:
I guess the OT spare the rod spoil the child is irrelevant to him lol. God must be wrong according to his view on children .
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Thats the whole point of Deut 6:7, the ways of God are to be taught to children, and that includes correction. That doesnt mean the correction is at that moment keeping the child from hell. It is teaching the child the right way so that when they are of age, they wont depart from the teaching.

Prov 22
6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
 
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cadwell said:
Thats the whole point of Deut 6:7, the ways of God are to be taught to children, and that includes correction. That doesnt mean the correction is at that moment keeping the child from hell. It is teaching the child the right way so that when they are of age, they wont depart from the teaching.

Prov 22
6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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Correction is for sinful behavior ie disobedience . That alone exposes your false assumption on sin , children and age .
 
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ReverendRV said:
When Teens, who do not have the Law, do by Nature things required by the Law, they are a Law for themselves, even though they do not have the Law. They show that the requirements of the Law are written on their Hearts, their Consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them...
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Insert…

”When zygotes, who do not have the law….”
”When embryos, who do not have the law…”
”When newborns, who do not have the law…”

He is a theological train wreck.
 
preacher4truth

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cadwell said:
There are no texts concerning "original sin" as it is unbiblical. My argument is based on the fact that it wasnt some sort of internal flaw Adam passed down to all mankind that brought death upon everyone. The bible says that eating of the tree of life is what caused Adam to live forever, and his knowledge of good and evil bringing about the separation and banishment from the garden. A perishable body will perish, we didnt inherit that from Adam due to sin, man is created perishable by God and made good (gen 1:31).

Why are they permitted entry? Does the bible answer that question?

There is zero mention of any "inherent fallen nature" concerning the children allowed to enter the promised land. If there is I would like to see it.

Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Yes, Paul does say thru Adam ALL are under condemnation. No, Paul does not say thru Adam ALL are sinners. He said MANY are made sinners by Adam. Thats kind of what I was getting at in my earlier post, and everything about those 19 and under not being atoned for. You can condemnation for ALL due to Adams sin because he is the reason man lost access to eternal life, the tree of life. You can at the same time have MANY made sinners because of Adam because at an appointed time by God, all will fall like Adam did. Before children fall like Adam, they are as he was in the garden (deut 1:39). God didnt require atonement for them until He said so, and He said age 20.

You should say this in a mirror.
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You have no clue what you're talking about biblically. Frankly you're to be marked and avoided; Romans 16:17. Yes, you're a false teacher and don't know Christ nor God.
 
SovereignGrace

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preacher4truth said:
No atonement needed until 19? Lol!
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A teen(girl) in WVa was murdered by two teen girls who she thought were her friends a few years ago. One got life with a possibility of parole after 15 years and the other got 30 years because she helped to convict the other one.

I guess those sins don’t need atonement if they’d died before turning 20?

Talk about a false teacher!
 
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SovereignGrace said:
A teen(girl) in WVa was murdered by two teen girls who she thought were her friends a few years ago. One got life with a possibility of parole after 15 years and the other got 30 years because she helped to convict the other one.
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Was that the one with the knife fight in the driveway, I think it might've been about a boyfriend?
 
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cadwell

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preacher4truth said:
You have no clue what you're talking about biblically. Frankly you're to be marked and avoided; Romans 16:17. Yes, you're a false teacher and don't know Christ nor God.
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I am not the one who said this

preacher4truth said
"Secondly Romans 5:12-21 proves all in Adam are sinful" link

While the bible says this:

Romans 5
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Your anger would be better suited towards those who taught you the false doctrine of yours the bible refutes. You are condemning people as sinners that God does not. If you can look at Romans 5:19 and agree that MANY (and not ALL) are made righteous because of One, you should be able to accept that MANY (and not ALL) are made sinners because of one. Falsely labeling me is the easy way out, I understand and I am not offended. I get it.
 
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cadwell

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preacher4truth said:
No atonement needed until 19? Lol!
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link

God told Moses to not accept any ransom for the souls of anyone under 20, as demonstrated in the link above. It was to be an everlasting statute, as demonstrated in the link above. Why God did that is demonstrated in the link above. My belief is based in the scripture, and if you think I am mistaken, you must demonstrate it in scripture. Was there atonement for anyone under 19? Show me. Calling me a false teacher, pretending to know who I know, and running from my posts without directly addressing any of them wont accomplish anything.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
A teen(girl) in WVa was murdered by two teen girls who she thought were her friends a few years ago. One got life with a possibility of parole after 15 years and the other got 30 years because she helped to convict the other one.

I guess those sins don’t need atonement if they’d died before turning 20?

Talk about a false teacher!
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So news stories about tragedies can replace scripture. This is further proof that the denial of sola scriptura was projection, as you cannot produce anything in the bible showing God demanding atonement for anyone under 20. Your proof comes from elsewhere, as usual.

A million examples of ppl under 20 "sinning" wont move the needle one bit. All it takes is one example of God demanding atonement for anyone under 20. So far, nothing.
 
preacher4truth

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cadwell said:
I am not the one who said this

preacher4truth said
"Secondly Romans 5:12-21 proves all in Adam are sinful" link

While the bible says this:

Romans 5
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Your anger would be better suited towards those who taught you the false doctrine of yours the bible refutes. You are condemning people as sinners that God does not. If you can look at Romans 5:19 and agree that MANY (and not ALL) are made righteous because of One, you should be able to accept that MANY (and not ALL) are made sinners because of one. Falsely labeling me is the easy way out, I understand and I am not offended. I get it.
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I knew you'd pick out that verse and misuse it.

"Anger?" Lol!!!!!!

As a false teacher you have the traits that prove it, concentrating on an out of context verse and misusing it. There are many passages that disprove you, in context. Romans 3:19-23, and the text you just abused in Romans 5:12-21. Paul has already established the fact that all are sinners, verse 19 does not undo that truth, and your argument shows your heretical propensity to pit Scripture against Scripture.
 
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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cadwell said:
link

God told Moses to not accept any ransom for the souls of anyone under 20, as demonstrated in the link above. It was to be an everlasting statute, as demonstrated in the link above. Why God did that is demonstrated in the link above. My belief is based in the scripture, and if you think I am mistaken, you must demonstrate it in scripture. Was there atonement for anyone under 19? Show me. Calling me a false teacher, pretending to know who I know, and running from my posts without directly addressing any of them wont accomplish anything.
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So now you're lying about me? None of the above bolded is true, it is you bearing false witness.
 
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cadwell

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preacher4truth said:
I knew you'd pick out that verse and misuse it.

"Anger?" Lol!!!!!!

As a false teacher you have the traits that prove it, concentrating on an out of context verse and misusing it. There are many passages that disprove you, in context. Romans 3:19-23, and the text you just abused in Romans 5:12-21. Paul has already established the fact that all are sinners, verse 19 does not undo that truth, and your argument shows your heretical propensity to pit Scripture against Scripture.
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Why does Paul use ALL in one place, and MANY in another? I believe it is because ALL addresses the people he wrote his letter to, whom he knew all to be sinners (as he was not writing to children). And I believe he used MANY because its truth, knowing God didnt require atonement for everyone, he worded it accordingly.

What say you about it?
 
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cadwell

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preacher4truth said:
So now you're lying about me? None of the above bolded is true, it is you bearing false witness.
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You said I am to be avoided, I call that running. I provided a link explaining exactly what I believe and why, and you didnt have anything to say about it, thus me saying I had posts you didnt directly address. All accurate
 
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