No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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guest1

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I witness to everyone with no fear of what they may say to me. There is no argument to be made for anything else.

Thats great, but no one is going to tell me to witness by fearing what the response may be. The battle is already lost with that mentality.
I'm talking about you and no one else and you avoided my question.

Do you condemn them when you witness ? yes or no
 

cadwell

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I'm talking about you and no one else and you avoided my question.
I didn’t avoid anything. You asked me if I call out homosexuals and how was it working for me. I responded that I witness with no fear of what the response may be, and reject any argument to the contrary.
Do you condemn them when you witness ? yes or no
This is a new question. The answer depends on what you mean by condemn. Do I see a homosexual and decide to attack them with hellfire for their actions? That would be a no. Do I witness in truth that may sometimes be uncomfortable for them? Yes.
 

ReverendRV

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I didn’t avoid anything. You asked me if I call out homosexuals and how was it working for me. I responded that I witness with no fear of what the response may be, and reject any argument to the contrary.

This is a new question. The answer depends on what you mean by condemn. Do I see a homosexual and decide to attack them with hellfire for their actions? That would be a no. Do I witness in truth that may sometimes be uncomfortable for them? Yes.
Homosexual Teens?
 
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guest1

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I didn’t avoid anything. You asked me if I call out homosexuals and how was it working for me. I responded that I witness with no fear of what the response may be, and reject any argument to the contrary.

This is a new question. The answer depends on what you mean by condemn. Do I see a homosexual and decide to attack them with hellfire for their actions? That would be a no. Do I witness in truth that may sometimes be uncomfortable for them? Yes.
And have you shared the gospel with anyone who is homosexual ?

If so how did it go can you elaborate on your conversation ?

Did you know them personally or were they strangers ?
 

cadwell

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And have you shared the gospel with anyone who is homosexual ?
Yep
If so how did it go can you elaborate on your conversation ?
No, I don’t feel particularly inclined to discuss that with you.
Did you know them personally or were they strangers ?
Both.

Hopefully there is a point to these questions that doesnt end with you telling me which passages God can use to witness to people. Cuz that’s how this whole tangent started and I reject that line of thinking.
 
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guest1

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Yep

No, I don’t feel particularly inclined to discuss that with you.

Both.

Hopefully there is a point to these questions that doesnt end with you telling me which passages God can use to witness to people. Cuz that’s how this whole tangent started and I reject that line of thinking.
So you cannot talk about how you share the gospel. That is brilliant.
 

cadwell

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So you cannot talk about how you share the gospel. That is brilliant.
There is a difference between CAN’T and WON’T. I refuse to elaborate on those particular conversations. I am under no compulsion to do so, and I owe you no explanation. You are just somehow going to have to be ok with that.
 

ReverendRV

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I talk about how I share it all the time :)
It is what it is - by ReverendRV

Matthew 24:24 KJV
; For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Have you heard the saying “It is what it is”? It’s the first Law of Logic known as the Law of Identity, and these Laws are Transcendent. ~ One of my favorite shows is a popular magic, hidden camera TV show. I like to watch it with my daughter and I tell her that the Magician is trying to get the people to believe a Lie by 'controlling their thinking'. The reason the Show works is because of the Laws of Logic, which are within us all. The Magician takes the Law of Identity and shows people one thing first, then introduces a contradiction which results when the Magician swaps another thing for the first, which has a different Identity but is portrayed as if it were the first thing. This is when the Law of Identity begins to wrestle with the Law of Non Contradiction; and the people say "Wait; how did you do that??". The reason that Prestidigitation works so well is because the Magician gets inside your head, and all of the sudden 'it is what it is' and 'it ain't what it is' seem true at the same time; now the Law of Identity and the Law of Non Contradiction are butting heads, an Irresistible Force vs. an Unmovable Object; a clash of titans…

Have you ever had another god other than the Logical and Transcendent God of the Bible? These days there are less Christians than there used to be. Have you ever said something like, “To me god would never lead anyone into Temptation”. Then you’re an Idolater; the Bible says that the Holy Ghost led Jesus into the desert to be tempted. Have you ever taken the name of the Lord in Vain? That’s called Blasphemy, and these are only three of the Ten Commandments. If God judged you by his standard, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Hating God will do you no good; Jesus said that Hatred is Murder and he’s your Judge. ~ There is Proof the Bible is true; so do a Study…

But God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life! Jesus Christ never Sinned and was our second chance when he became the Second Adam; a new Representative. He became the sacrifice for Sin by spilling his blood and dying on the Cross, and he becomes the Son of Righteousness by rising from the grave like the morning Sun. We’re Saved and Forgiven by the Grace of God through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, not by Works lest we should boast. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God and look for a good Church that’s like the woman described in Proverbs 31. ~ The effect of Miracles may have felt the same to those at the time of Christ as we feel about magic today, but a Magician’s effect won’t grow new limbs on people. That's when the Third Law of Logic, the Excluded Middle, makes the case for Christ…

John 10:37-38 NLT; Don't believe me unless I carry out my Father's work. But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father."
 

SovereignGrace

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There is a time when discussion with some people should biblically be halted. We are there.

Titus 3:9


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9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

1 Peter 3:15


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15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Ephesians 4:29


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29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

1 Corinthians 1:10


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10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

2 Timothy 2:14


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14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.

James 1:26


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26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

How much you wanna bet our resident Harry Tick also denies the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ as well? He has to if he wishes to remain consistent with his denial of Adam's guilt being imputed to all his posterity.
 

Carbon

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Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Indeed!
No man can come here means no man has the ability to come to Christ. That cancels out the myth that man has a freewill,

It also means that no man has the ability to believe on Christ for Salvation. Because Christ equates believing on Him with coming to Him. Jn 6:64-65
What about after one is regenerated by God? Does God do the believing for him, or does man (then) freely choose willingly?
 
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guest1

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Its you. I would rather not discuss that with you. You are the exception. You cannot make me, you need to move on.
I'm just stating your own words that contradicted your earlier statement. Try to be more consistent without contradicting yourself. Say what you mean and mean what you say !
 

brightfame52

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In order for man to come to Christ he must be given motion, life, this comes by quickening. All who come to Christ have been quickened out of a dead spiritual state. Eph 2:1

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

In the original the word quickened isnt there, its derived from verse 5 and its the word suzóopoieó and means:

to make alive together with
Usage: I make alive together with.

I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.39

This causing to live is giving motion to, which is the impelling aspect of drawing Jn 6:44 and 12:32

So quickening and drawing can be used interchangeably.
 

cadwell

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I'm just stating your own words that contradicted your earlier statement. Try to be more consistent without contradicting yourself. Say what you mean and mean what you say !
There is no contradiction, you and I aren’t discussing it and your tantrum isn’t going to change that.
 
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