No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

civic

Well-known member
Its you. I would rather not discuss that with you. You are the exception. You cannot make me, you need to move on.
I'm just stating your own words that contradicted your earlier statement. Try to be more consistent without contradicting yourself. Say what you mean and mean what you say !
 

brightfame52

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In order for man to come to Christ he must be given motion, life, this comes by quickening. All who come to Christ have been quickened out of a dead spiritual state. Eph 2:1

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

In the original the word quickened isnt there, its derived from verse 5 and its the word suzóopoieó and means:

to make alive together with
Usage: I make alive together with.

I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.39

This causing to live is giving motion to, which is the impelling aspect of drawing Jn 6:44 and 12:32

So quickening and drawing can be used interchangeably.
 

cadwell

Member
I'm just stating your own words that contradicted your earlier statement. Try to be more consistent without contradicting yourself. Say what you mean and mean what you say !
There is no contradiction, you and I aren’t discussing it and your tantrum isn’t going to change that.
 

civic

Well-known member
There is no contradiction, you and I aren’t discussing it and your tantrum isn’t going to change that.
You are the one being sarcastic and evasive not me. I was just pointing out your contradictions since you did not claim any exceptions to your statements such as homosexuals. That is on you, not me.

conclusion: mean what you say and say what you mean. Otherwise you will be called on it big fella who refuses to share his witnessing techniques when asked.

hope this helps !!!
 

civic

Well-known member
I wish you were that stern with homosexuals instead of compromising your witness to them because of what you think they might say.
Failure: accusing others what you refuse to do yourself. You claim it but refuse to share it with us. Its such a secret witnessing technique that is so private between you and the homosexual.

Are you a homophobe ?

Do you have any homosexual acquaintances ?

Any conversions ?

or just condemnation ?

Do you share the gospel with someone who is overweight and tell them they are sinning ?

What about someone underweight ? Do you expose them too ?

And what about someone that has a drink in public ? Do you witness to them that they could be a stumbling block to the weak ?

Do you point out everyone's particular sins when sharing the gospel ? If not why not ?

Or do you jut point out the sins of lesbians and homosexuals ?

Good luck with sharing the gospel............................

hope this helps !!!
 

cadwell

Member
You are the one being sarcastic and evasive not me. I was just pointing out your contradictions since you did not claim any exceptions to your statements such as homosexuals. That is on you, not me.
You are the exception. The first time you asked me, I told you directly that I would not discuss it with you. In turn you generalized my statement in a way I never did, and falsely accused me of a contradiction.
conclusion: mean what you say and say what you mean. Otherwise you will be called on it big fella who refuses to share his witnessing techniques when asked.


hope this helps !!!
I said exactly what I mean, and I mean exactly what I say. I don’t have to discuss that with you, I owe you no explanation why, and you need to move on.
 

civic

Well-known member
You are the exception. The first time you asked me, I told you directly that I would not discuss it with you. In turn you generalized my statement in a way I never did, and falsely accused me of a contradiction.

I said exactly what I mean, and I mean exactly what I say. I don’t have to discuss that with you, I owe you no explanation why, and you need to move on.
You need to be accurate in what you claim and quit making absolute statements when there are " exceptions" to the rule and your get out of jail free card.

next............................
 

cadwell

Member
You need to be accurate in what you claim and quit making absolute statements when there are " exceptions" to the rule and your get out of jail free card.

next............................
There is nothing more accurate than what I told you the FIRST time:

"No, I don’t feel particularly inclined to discuss that with you." link

Notice I never said that I dont discuss it in general, just that I wont discuss with you. The SECOND time you asked me, I told you that:

"I refuse to elaborate on those particular conversations" link

I am talking directly to you, and telling you, for a second time, that I wont talk about it. Not to be deterred, you generalized my statement, ignored my request to not talk about it with you, and asked about it a THIRD time, to which I had to again reiterate my stance:

"Its you. I would rather not discuss that with you. You are the exception. You cannot make me, you need to move on." link

And now here is the false claim of contradiction. You ignored my first response, generalized my second response, and falsely claimed my second response contradicted my third response. All of this could have been avoided if you had just accepted my refusal the first time.
 

civic

Well-known member
There is nothing more accurate than what I told you the FIRST time:

"No, I don’t feel particularly inclined to discuss that with you." link

Notice I never said that I dont discuss it in general, just that I wont discuss with you. The SECOND time you asked me, I told you that:

"I refuse to elaborate on those particular conversations" link

I am talking directly to you, and telling you, for a second time, that I wont talk about it. Not to be deterred, you generalized my statement, ignored my request to not talk about it with you, and asked about it a THIRD time, to which I had to again reiterate my stance:

"Its you. I would rather not discuss that with you. You are the exception. You cannot make me, you need to move on." link

And now here is the false claim of contradiction. You ignored my first response, generalized my second response, and falsely claimed my second response contradicted my third response. All of this could have been avoided if you had just accepted my refusal the first time.
Not really you just like to argue for arguments sake and you were caught with your hand in the cookie jar so man up and admit it big fella. If you can't stand the heat by all means get out of the kitchen.

hope this helps !!!
 

cadwell

Member
Failure: accusing others what you refuse to do yourself. You claim it but refuse to share it with us. Its such a secret witnessing technique that is so private between you and the homosexual.

Are you a homophobe ?

Do you have any homosexual acquaintances ?

Any conversions ?

or just condemnation ?

Do you share the gospel with someone who is overweight and tell them they are sinning ?

What about someone underweight ? Do you expose them too ?

And what about someone that has a drink in public ? Do you witness to them that they could be a stumbling block to the weak ?

Do you point out everyone's particular sins when sharing the gospel ? If not why not ?

Or do you jut point out the sins of lesbians and homosexuals ?

Good luck with sharing the gospel............................

hope this helps !!!
I extend you the courtesy of telling you upfront that I wont talk about this with you, partially in hopes that you wont waste your time asking me things I already refused to share. It seems here that you are determined to waste your time, and thats ok with me. Asking me wont change my stance, but you are free to pointlessly make posts like this.
 

cadwell

Member
Not really you just like to argue for arguments sake and you were caught with your hand in the cookie jar so man up and admit it big fella. If you can't stand the heat by all means get out of the kitchen.

hope this helps !!!
I am man enough to admit any mistakes on my part, but you have to produce a legitimate one for me to do so. Just saying it doesnt make it so. I think you need to man up and accept the fact that you cannot make me talk about something I have already refused.

This all started with someone saying not to use Lev to witness to homosexuals. I take offense to that because I base how I witness of what Jesus to His disciples concerning future events:

Luke 21
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


Jesus told them to not think about what they are going to say, that HE would give them a mouth and wisdom, to which their adversaries would not resist. To me, a person on an internet forum saying "dont use leviticus with homosexuals because they might point out how we dont follow the bible" flies in the face of our Lord. You are defending her line of thinking, and therefore we dont have anything to talk about.
 

civic

Well-known member
I am man enough to admit any mistakes on my part, but you have to produce a legitimate one for me to do so. Just saying it doesnt make it so. I think you need to man up and accept the fact that you cannot make me talk about something I have already refused.

This all started with someone saying not to use Lev to witness to homosexuals. I take offense to that because I base how I witness of what Jesus to His disciples concerning future events:

Luke 21
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


Jesus told them to not think about what they are going to say, that HE would give them a mouth and wisdom, to which their adversaries would not resist. To me, a person on an internet forum saying "dont use leviticus with homosexuals because they might point out how we dont follow the bible" flies in the face of our Lord. You are defending her line of thinking, and therefore we dont have anything to talk about.
Are you using Leviticus for Jews or Gentiles in this case as it makes a difference . If so then you should kill anyone of the people God commanded under the OT law. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You better stone everyone God commanded to stone. Otherwise you are misusing the Law in this case .

hope this helps !!!
 

cadwell

Member
Are you using Leviticus for Jews or Gentiles in this case as it makes a difference . If so then you should kill anyone of the people God commanded under the OT law. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You better stone everyone God commanded to stone. Otherwise you are misusing the Law in this case .

hope this helps !!!
Good bye.
 

preacher4truth

Well-known member
Are you using Leviticus for Jews or Gentiles in this case as it makes a difference . If so then you should kill anyone of the people God commanded under the OT law. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You better stone everyone God commanded to stone. Otherwise you are misusing the Law in this case .

hope this helps !!!
He also misused Exodus 30:11-16 in which ransom and atonement have nothing to do with salvation eternally but with a census taken, and those of age are expected to contribute to the offering for the tabernacle. That and it also generally refers to taking a census to number those who can go to war.

He makes hyperbole out of what isn't, for example Psalm 51, and tries to make hyperbole out of the aforementioned texts, showing his inconsistent hermeneutic.

He also misused Deuteronomy 1:39 as I detailed out, while conflating it with his misusage of Genesis 3.

He's to be avoided as he has misused these texts against plain biblical doctrine as in Romans 3, 5 &c and doesn't hold to sound teaching and in turn puts out obstacles in front of others, causing division &c Romans 16:17.
 

cadwell

Member
You say goodbye and I say hello , hello hello I don’t know why you say goodbye I say hello
I have a two part question about King David. Yes, I am going somewhere with this, but first I would like yours (and everyone elses) opinion on it.

This is just for opinion, but do you think that David went to heaven or hell? And where do you think HE expected to go when he died?
 
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