Theo1689
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It convinced me enough to change my Mind. I'll do the study again...
Fair enough...
It convinced me enough to change my Mind. I'll do the study again...
So how is it that these little ones can Believe in Jesus, but not believe what Jesus believed about their Sinfulness?So you think that Jesus, while He is holding an actual living breathing child (Matt 18:2), is being figurative when He said these little ones which believe in me? The comparison to adult believers is made in verses 3 and 4, but verse 6 He is holding an actual child and said they believe in Him. He calls children believers. You dont believe Him?
What exactly does Jesus believe about the sinfulness of a child?So how is it that these little ones can Believe in Jesus, but not believe what Jesus believed about their Sinfulness?
There would be no need for them to believe in him as their Savior since they're sinless and need no salvation.So how is it that these little ones can Believe in Jesus, but not believe what Jesus believed about their Sinfulness?
The context has Jesus literally holding a child (matt 18:2) while saying these (referring to said child) believe in me (verse 6). When He wanted the adults to behave figuratively as children, He said "AS this little child" (verse 3) and "AS little children" (verse 2). Your interpretation has Jesus telling His disciples to behave..........like unbelievers???I get that from the context.
I see @cadwell accuses me of not believing Jesus because he was holding a child as an attack on my position which the context literally supports.
Great example. You see how a fig tree the doesnt BEAR FRUIT can be compared to a nation that doesnt? Well it works the same way in Matt 18.I suppose this must mean the fig tree he cursed was literally Israel. Thus we see the fallacious hermeneutic he employs.
According to you maybe. According to Jesus, children believe in Him (matt 18:6) and the kingdom of Heaven is for them (matt 19:14). I'll give you one guess who I believe.There would be no need for them to believe in him as their Savior since they're sinless and need no salvation.
Johns used "little children" as a way to describe adults, agreed 100%. As little children is what Jesus told His disciples to be in Matt 18:2-3, after all. But here is this:Note how John uses "little children" when referring to toddlers...oops...I mean believers in 1 John. Wonder where he came up with that theopneustos term?
Tell me what you believe Original Sin teaches. I don't think your view of it is the Reformed view, if I am understanding you correctly. TIA.Oh no, I don't reject Original Sin and I don't hold to an Age of Accountability. I've come to the conclusion that Infants don't Lie while in the womb. As far as Jesus saying these little ones love him, I'm looking for it. It was probably in a certain Translation, and I can't find it right now...
So the lost are dead, but they are not that dead that they are incapable of choosing?each soul of His will consciously choose Him.
we have very little free choice
but that 1 choice we do have.
Which means they are alive, right?no it’s not that sort of logic.
it’s that a soul can hear Him and respond.
And even repentance is a gift of God per Rom. 2:4, 2 Cor. 7:10, 2 Tim. 2:25, Acts 5:31, Acts 11:18.even though a soul be little
if a soul cannot respond, she cannot repent.
an action is required of a soul - to accept Him…
that is a choice.
And the spirit in the lost person is dead...see Nekros, the Greek word used for 'dead'.it means they are a soul.
what is dead is this body - see haggai 2.
this is not the body adam received in eden, and what was not dead.
if a soul doesn’t choose then sin is meaningless
and adam did not sin.
a man repents and thats a choice.
not freedom capital letters but a choice.
only satan wants zombies for sons.
Man is body, soul and spirit. He is tripartite.there is only the soul and this fleshbody (what paul calls it). the mind is the carnal mind and self.
the soul is npsh. see the OT hebrew.
it means living being - 1 undivided living being.
because of adams willful disobedience
we are living in dead bodies.
haggai 2.
the spirit ruling a soul is either His spirit or a satanic one.
only a soul can be saved.
this fleshbody is a horror to Him.
at the change soon we are restored to the body given adam… and eve - the imperishable eden body and our resurrection body.
yes.. eve is innocent… it’s adam who sinned. he left her alone unprotected.
being saved is at the Change.
What you are promoting here is so contrary to scripture !each soul of His will consciously choose Him.
we have very little free choice
but that 1 choice we do have.
Original Sin is a generational Curse which results in our inheriting the Unconditional Consequences and Guilt of Adam's Original Sin in the Garden of Eden for breaking the Edenic Covenant of Works, as if we we're Real Participants with Adam and Eve; leaving all who are in Adam Fallen, Totally Depraved Sinners...Tell me what you believe Original Sin teaches. I don't think your view of it is the Reformed view, if I am understanding you correctly. TIA.
Does not prevent 'dead to sin' to respond to God's witnesses.
I (mostly) agree with this (and maybe it’s I who am wrong) but I don’t know that it means we are real participants with Adam, but that when we are conceived we are imputed that guilt and God views us as if we did it ourselves. Maybe this is a distinction without a difference?Original Sin is a generational Curse which results in our inheriting the Unconditional Consequences and Guilt of Adam's Original Sin in the Garden of Eden for breaking the Edenic Covenant of Works, as if we we're Real Participants with Adam and Eve; leaving all who are in Adam Fallen, Totally Depraved Sinners...
And if a soul sincerely wants Him, then He has ALREADY wrought grace in that person. The unregenerate person wants nothing to do with Him[Rom. 8:5-9, 1 Cor. 1:18, & 1 Cor. 2:14].if a soul sincerely wants Him
He will help you Die to that Self.