No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

SovereignGrace

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even though a soul be little

if a soul cannot respond, she cannot repent.

an action is required of a soul - to accept Him…

that is a choice.
And even repentance is a gift of God per Rom. 2:4, 2 Cor. 7:10, 2 Tim. 2:25, Acts 5:31, Acts 11:18.
 

SovereignGrace

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if a soul doesn’t choose then sin is meaningless

They are already born dead in sin and transgressions, being conceived in Adam.

and adam did not sin.

What did he do then, if he did not sin? Notice than when Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge the bible makes no mention of a change in her status before God. It was after Adam ate that THEIR(plural, both of them) eyes were opened.

a man repents and thats a choice.

Yet, you easily and readily dismiss those FIVE vss I gave you that proves repentance is a gift of God.

not freedom capital letters but a choice.

No one is free, not even the saved. We are either slaves to sin and Satan or righteousness and Christ. There are no neutrally free ppl walking around on earth.

only satan wants zombies for sons.

The lost are not zombies but dead. Again, look up the meaning of nekros, the Greek word used for 'dead'.
 

SovereignGrace

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there is only the soul and this fleshbody (what paul calls it). the mind is the carnal mind and self.

the soul is npsh. see the OT hebrew.

it means living being - 1 undivided living being.

because of adams willful disobedience
we are living in dead bodies.

haggai 2.
Man is body, soul and spirit. He is tripartite.
 

SovereignGrace

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the spirit ruling a soul is either His spirit or a satanic one.

only a soul can be saved.

this fleshbody is a horror to Him.

at the change soon we are restored to the body given adam… and eve - the imperishable eden body and our resurrection body.

yes.. eve is innocent… it’s adam who sinned. he left her alone unprotected.

being saved is at the Change.

We all were conceived dead in Adam, as David testified to in Psalm 51:5 and Psalm 58:3. This is also testified to by Paul in 1 Cor. 15:22 and Rom. 5:12ff. The lost are dead in Adam and Satan is their ruler. They are slaves to him and sin. Only when God breaks that bondage Satan has on them are they free to come to him. Satan will not let them go of his own volition, and they are unable, in and of themselves, to break free from his clutches. That is what total depravity teaches. In the fall, all of man's faculties have been affected by sin and there is not one iota of righteousness to be found in them. It does not mean that men are as evil as they can be(though we have seen some that seem to be that evil, such as Hitler, Bin Laden, Hussein, Pol Pot, Vlad Dracula{Vlad the Impaler}, just to name a few) but that they are utterly unable to recover themselves from their fallen in Adam condition. That is why regeneration is an absolute necessary to save them.
 

brightfame52

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A person dead in trespasses and sin cannot come to Christ because he does not have the will to come, nor can he hear the Word of God John 5:40; 8:43

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
 

ReverendRV

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Tell me what you believe Original Sin teaches. I don't think your view of it is the Reformed view, if I am understanding you correctly. TIA.
Original Sin is a generational Curse which results in our inheriting the Unconditional Consequences and Guilt of Adam's Original Sin in the Garden of Eden for breaking the Edenic Covenant of Works, as if we we're Real Participants with Adam and Eve; leaving all who are in Adam Fallen, Totally Depraved Sinners...
 

SovereignGrace

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Original Sin is a generational Curse which results in our inheriting the Unconditional Consequences and Guilt of Adam's Original Sin in the Garden of Eden for breaking the Edenic Covenant of Works, as if we we're Real Participants with Adam and Eve; leaving all who are in Adam Fallen, Totally Depraved Sinners...
I (mostly) agree with this (and maybe it’s I who am wrong) but I don’t know that it means we are real participants with Adam, but that when we are conceived we are imputed that guilt and God views us as if we did it ourselves. Maybe this is a distinction without a difference?

So, babies never love God, seeing that are conceived at variance with Him.
 

SovereignGrace

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if a soul sincerely wants Him

He will help you Die to that Self.
And if a soul sincerely wants Him, then He has ALREADY wrought grace in that person. The unregenerate person wants nothing to do with Him[Rom. 8:5-9, 1 Cor. 1:18, & 1 Cor. 2:14].
 

preacher4truth

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I (mostly) agree with this (and maybe it’s I who am wrong) but I don’t know that it means we are real participants with Adam, but that when we are conceived we are imputed that guilt and God views us as if we did it ourselves. Maybe this is a distinction without a difference?

So, babies never love God, seeing that are conceived at variance with Him.
What I find intriguing is that the entire creation has come under a curse as per Romans 8 &c, and people accept this truth, but then say man get's to choose to obey God just like Adam, and if not then they become sinners like him. It is as if the universal consequences of the fall do not apply to them until they exercise almighty free will. Man-centered nonsense right there.
 

SovereignGrace

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What I find intriguing is that the entire creation has come under a curse as per Romans 8 &c, and people accept this truth, but then say man get's to choose to obey God just like Adam, and if not then they become sinners like him. It is as if the universal consequences of the fall do not apply to them until they exercise almighty free will. Man-centered nonsense right there.
There’s that little island of righteousness that was left unaffected by the fall, their free will.
 

PeanutGallery

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When man is dead in his sins, his nature is against God... His nature controls his will... He will not and cannot come to God without divine help... That simple... Why is that so hard?
God has given gracious divine help: Creation testifying, law written in the hearts, conscience bearing witness, Holy Spirit reproving, the gospel of salvation to whosoever believes.
 
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the flesh itself is sin.

sin is not just a system or an action.

the corruption caused by the fall
is cosmological not just a mental state.

if you go and enjoy this world and body,

that is the sin realm being enjoyed.
I think this is what @SovereignGrace is talking about below that we can live by the flesh(carnal nature) or by the spirit to either glorify God or self-our fallen sinful and corrupt nature. Paul is contrasting the two and those who practice or continue in the flesh will not inherit the kingdom but only those who live by the spirit will.

Galatians 5:19-22
The acts of the flesh are obvious:
sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:5
Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts,

Colossians 3:5
Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry.

Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander

hope this helps !!!
 
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SovereignGrace

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the flesh itself is sin.

sin is not just a system or an action.

the corruption caused by the fall
is cosmological not just a mental state.

if you go and enjoy this world and body,

that is the sin realm being enjoyed.
Sin is a breaking of one or more of God’s laws, so I don’t get what you said when you said sin isn’t an action. Yes, we can sin without doing something, such as lusting in our hearts after someone, but its still breaking God’s law. But you’re still not making sense, ma’am. Your posts are all over the place, your thoughts, too.
 
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