No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[Theo1689]

When Jesus said to Pilate, "You could have no power over Me unless it were given you from above," did that mean that Jesus was not submitting to Pilate's power of His own free will? Did He go to the cross of His own free will even though we know that it was God who give Him into their hands according to God's own wise counsel?

Are you under the mistaken impression that Jesus was born in sin?

 

[Ken Hamrick]

Are you under the mistaken impression that Jesus was born in sin?

Not at all!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

God never calls sinners to "suddenly and catastrophically [abandon their] entire life direction and [strike] out in a totally DIFFERENT direction with a complete new set of values, [or]... to 'Crucify the flesh'." He calls sinners to believe (submissively) in Christ, giving up their lives, and yes, to "enter into a lordship environment as the PURCHASED POSSESSION of [their] new Lord and Savior." After they come to Christ, the Holy Spirit accomplishes catastrophic changes. We have but to surrender to Him. The ice cream illustrated how the term that you object to, "irresistible," can mean an irresistible attraction and does not have to mean an irresistible force. Such an illustration is not difficult for any to understand; therefore, you have made yourself out to be someone who does not squarely face reasonable arguments.

I don't see the correlation between simply continuing something that I LIKE, and having to end (traumatically) one lifestyle, and begin another totally different one.

TRUE - the new direction was infinitely better than the OLD one, and HE certainly does require us to "Crucify the flesh" with His assistance and support ROm 8:13 , Col 3:5

 

[brightfame52]

When Jesus said to Pilate, "You could have no power over Me unless it were given you from above," did that mean that Jesus was not submitting to Pilate's power of His own free will? Did He go to the cross of His own free will even though we know that it was God who give Him into their hands according to God's own wise counsel?

Evasion and rabbit trail. You ignored the post point didnt you sir ?

 

[Ken Hamrick]

Evasion and rabbit trail. You ignored the post point didnt you sir ?

You asserted that if they were given by the Father then they could not be coming by their free will:
"And its not by their own freewill nor anything native or natural within them, but by the Father having given them to the Son Jn 6:37,65 175which speaks to Election"

Defend or retract

 

[brightfame52]

You asserted that if they were given by the Father then they could not be coming by their free will:
"And its not by their own freewill nor anything native or natural within them, but by the Father having given them to the Son Jn 6:37,65 175which speaks to Election"

Defend or retract

What was the point ?

 

[brightfame52]

That you have no point and cannot defend your views bu answering simple questions . You make statements and cannot back them up when asked to explain those statements. You respond with rabbit trail or read through 5,000 posts. You are the one with the rabbit trails not everyone else.

If theres no point, why do you respond to a pointless post ? You just talk in circles to hear yourself talk !

 

[ReverendRV]

Congratulations! You hold to Unconditional Election & Irresistible Grace! Welcome aboard!

You may remember this; "We're closer than people realize, and closer than some will allow us to be"...

 

[guest1]

You asserted that if they were given by the Father then they could not be coming by their free will:
"And its not by their own freewill nor anything native or natural within them, but by the Father having given them to the Son Jn 6:37,65 175which speaks to Election"

Defend or retract

Spot on Ken !