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Once again bait n switch you were discussing John 6 so stick with the context and take his correction as Hark is correct from John 6. You always run from the text when challenged you are so predictable.
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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brightfame52
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I can make a case for the Spirit leading men to Christ. God is Triune Jn 16 speaks of the Spirit work or drawing to Christ. Do you believe that friend?
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Ya sure but you ran away from proving your point from John 6 just like you did with Luke 7 which speaks volumes about your false claims from the actual text in question .
brightfame52
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit draws to Christ, do you believe that ?
Theo1689
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all died on the cross. Do you believe THAT?!
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I’m a trinitarian what do you think ?
brightfame52
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit draws to Christ, do you believe that ?
Theo1689
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You're not very good at answering questions, are you?
(Again, if you're stumped, Edit per mod
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all died on the cross. Do you believe THAT?!
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brightfame52
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The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit draws to Christ, do you believe that ? Tell me what you think friend
As Good as you I suppose, so tell me. Did the Father, Son, and Spirit have a part in drawing the elect to Christ ? Yes or No
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I answered you question, next !
BTW- you never answer our questions that is the definition of being a hypocrite.
You run from our questions and expect us to answer your every whim .
Theo1689
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I simply believe Scripture:
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
You should try it sometime.
UnBiblical.
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Show us the passage where the Holy Spirit draws men to Christ ?
That is your homework assignment .
Chapter and verse please.
PeanutGallery
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The Father and the Son draw, the Holy Spirit reproves.
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Correct !
But I am pretty sure they are all believing at that point, including the believer.
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As is usual you are off topic .
As is usual you misrepresent.
John 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. 30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. 31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Verse 33 is why He had said verse 32.
It is not the same message in regards to the Father because not everyone that saw Him crucified, believed in Him, certainly not the Pharisees that put Him there. ( Granted, Jesus gave up His life; the Jews did not really take it away from Him )
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
So the scripture that singled out the Father by that exception for how men are drawn unto the Son means only the Father did it. Yes, His crucifixion on the cross was the focus as to Who the Father was drawing them to, but still only the Father does this by the use of that word "except" in His words. Indeed, this scripture testify that the Father gives those to be saved to the Son per the father's will.
John 6: 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Theo1689
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Good question....
God regenerates the elect, turning their heart of stone into a heart of flesh (Ezek. 11:19, 36:26), and causes them to love God and come to Him.
Please read Rom. 6:16-22.
It teaches us that that men are either "slaves of sin" (prior to regeneration), or "slaves of righteousness" (after regeneration). They are ALWAYS slaves, they are never "free agents". And this passage teaches that "thanks be to GOD" that we have become slaves of righteousness.
I think one of the problems is that you equate "come willingly" with "come freely", and they are not the same thing.
brightfame52
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Can not the drawing of a sinner to Faith in Christ be attributed to the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit ?