Not born Hardened or Blind

brightfame52

Well-known member
Wrong topic

Inability is the topic

.........................................

You addressed nothing

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

You view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
Same thing, mans inability is due to his being spiritually dead. By nature a spiritually dead person has a hard heart, blind eyes and mind spiritually, deaf spiritual ears, should i go on ?
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Same thing, mans inability is due to his being spiritually dead. By nature a spiritually dead person has a hard heart, blind eyes and mind spiritually, deaf spiritual ears, should i go on ?
You still did not address any verses or arguments

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You still did not address any verses or arguments

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
Lol, I am not going to address all that, for what ? I agree with it. Nevertheless man is born spiritually dead, with a hard heart, an unrepentant heart Rom 2:5, must be given a new heart to take the place of stony hard heart.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Lol, I am not going to address all that, for what ? I agree with it. Nevertheless man is born spiritually dead, with a hard heart, an unrepentant heart Rom 2:5, must be given a new heart to take the place of stony hard heart.
Oh so you admit you had not addressed it before


Well that is true

You still did not address any verses or arguments

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Oh so you admit you had not addressed it before


Well that is true

You still did not address any verses or arguments

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
I have read them before, but I see no need to address them now just because you bring them up, Im good with them. Now do you understand mans spiritual condition at birth naturally ?
 

TomFL

Well-known member
I have read them before, but I see no need to address them now just because you bring them up, Im good with them. Now do you understand mans spiritual condition at birth naturally ?
You falsely claimed you addressed them prteviously

Now we see the truth you have not

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You falsely claimed you addressed them prteviously

Now we see the truth you have not

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
Now do you understand mans spiritual condition at birth naturally ?
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Now do you understand mans spiritual condition at birth naturally ?
You are still running

..............................................

You falsely claimed you addressed them previously

Now we see the truth you have not

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You are still running

..............................................

You falsely claimed you addressed them previously

Now we see the truth you have not

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
You running !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You running !
The fact you have not addressed this shows it is you who are running

ou falsely claimed you addressed them previously

Now we see the truth you have not

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
The fact you have not addressed this shows it is you who are running

ou falsely claimed you addressed them previously

Now we see the truth you have not

Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
You still running !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You still running !
You are fabricating


Again who blinds a corpse so it cannot see

Who stops up the ears of one who cannot hear

Why does one born hardened and unable to respond positively need further hardening

Your view has no answer for that

or this

Deut. 30:10–19 —ESV
“when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
¶ “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
¶ “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,”

or the fact the bible shows men refuse to not that they can't believe

2Th. 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Is. 30:12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
Is. 30:13 therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
Is. 30:14 and its breaking is like that of a potter’s vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”
Is. 30:15 ¶ For thus said the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel,
“In returning and rest you shall be saved;
in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”
But you were unwilling,

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will wpluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer. 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, xturns from its evil, yI will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will wbuild and plant it,
Jer. 18:10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jer. 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
Jer. 18:12 ¶ “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to pay attention hand turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Heb. 12:25 ¶ See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.
 
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