Not transgender, but transgressive

balshan

Well-known member
Jesus was transgressive. It cost Him His life.
Really did He break the laws, was he violent, how was he transgessive? I mean what does the pope mean by telling a group of people to be transgessive, it sounds like a call for violence.

Transgression is from Merriam webster:

an act, process, or instance of transgressing: such as
a
: infringement or violation of a law, command, or duty
b
: the spread of the sea over land areas and the consequent unconformable deposit of sediments on older rocks
 

Stella1000

Well-known member
A definition of terms may be helpful here...
Transgressive here is being used to mean be counter cultural. Young people grow up believing secular values and ideologies are 'the norm'. The Pope is calling them to realise that and don't stand for it. Transgress those norms.
 

balshan

Well-known member
Transgressive here is being used to mean be counter cultural. Young people grow up believing secular values and ideologies are 'the norm'. The Pope is calling them to realise that and don't stand for it. Transgress those norms.
Oh so the RCC changing the meaning of the words. How do you know that the pope means, can you read his mind?
 

RiJoRi

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Oh, well. I should have worked a little harder. Sorry. 🙁
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Definitions from Oxford Languages:
trans·gres·sive
/ˌtranzˈɡresiv,tran(t)sˈɡresiv/
adjective
adjective: transgressive

involving a violation of accepted or imposed boundaries, especially those of social acceptability.

• relating to fiction, cinematography, or art in which orthodox cultural, moral, and artistic boundaries are challenged by the representation of unconventional behavior and the use of experimental forms.

• GEOLOGY
(of a stratum) overlapping others unconformably, especially as a result of marine transgression.
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While the denotation is correct, the connotation is totally different. The pope's speech writers (or translators) must get some vulgar style-checkers. (vulgar "of the people", hence, "Vulgate" 😉) Unless he delights in being misunderstood, thereby destroying any hope of meaningful communication.

--Rich
 

balshan

Well-known member
Oh, well. I should have worked a little harder. Sorry. 🙁
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Definitions from Oxford Languages:
trans·gres·sive
/ˌtranzˈɡresiv,tran(t)sˈɡresiv/
adjective
adjective: transgressive

involving a violation of accepted or imposed boundaries, especially those of social acceptability.

• relating to fiction, cinematography, or art in which orthodox cultural, moral, and artistic boundaries are challenged by the representation of unconventional behavior and the use of experimental forms.

• GEOLOGY
(of a stratum) overlapping others unconformably, especially as a result of marine transgression.
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While the denotation is correct, the connotation is totally different. The pope's speech writers (or translators) must get some vulgar style-checkers. (vulgar "of the people", hence, "Vulgate" 😉) Unless he delights in being misunderstood, thereby destroying any hope of meaningful communication.

--Rich
Those RC priest have been extremely transgessive.
 

Stella1000

Well-known member
Unless he delights in being misunderstood, thereby destroying any hope of meaningful communication.
Or maybe we could be less insular creatures and expand on our vocabulary. ;) I'm going to use transgressive where ever it's called for in future.
 

RiJoRi

Well-known member
Or maybe we could be less insular creatures and expand on our vocabulary. ;) I'm going to use transgressive where ever it's called for in future.
Now, that would be transgressive! 😊
But it does come down to whether you want to communicate with people, or display your erudition. Polysyllabic words in many cases will trip peoples' BS alarms and you will rapidly lose your audience. Remember that koine Greek was the vulgar tongue of the Roman world, and while there was a more refined form available, God saw fit to have His message written in a form most comprehensible to the majority of the hoi polloi.

--Rich
 

Stella1000

Well-known member
Now, that would be transgressive! 😊
But it does come down to whether you want to communicate with people, or display your erudition. Polysyllabic words in many cases will trip peoples' BS alarms and you will rapidly lose your audience. Remember that koine Greek was the vulgar tongue of the Roman world, and while there was a more refined form available, God saw fit to have His message written in a form most comprehensible to the majority of the hoi polloi.

--Rich
It's the way of the world though. Introducing terms into the lexicon is a way of re animating concepts for a new generation. For example English speakers had never heard of aggiornamento (bringing up to date) before Vatican II and Pope John XXIII, but now it's in all English dictionaries. Ther term 'virtue signalling' is another word that re animates a concept. I was just googling and found that Merriam Webster has recently added 370 such words to this years dictionary.
 
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