Obedience to Jesus

That's a great question. Sometimes I don't want to love others, because either they deny my Lord, God and Savior and mock Him which can anger me, or the old man raises his head and I become the man who, when I didn't like you I made it known. That is sometimes a struggle but God is patient and puts people in my path that I know I am commanded to love and when I submit my will to His, that love comes quite easily.
Thank you very much for answering my question. I've noticed that many professing Christians obviously don't love their enemies. I don't think that commanding people to love works. Heck, Jesus Himself could be very unloving toward His supposed enemies, in particular the Pharisees. We love those we find to be lovable.
 
If you are still hanging onto baggage in religious terms, you are like the rich young ruler who couldn't give up his ways over to God in His ways. And that is pretty obvious in most here who cant give themselves over to God as Jesus did starting in Matt 3:16.
Actually, Jesus taught to give up all possessions to the poor. Did you do so?
Jesus owned nothing nor do I, it all belongs to the God of Love, and I gave my all to Him.
all.
Where did you get a device to access this board?
If Jesus had given up everything he owned materially he would have trod about naked wouldn't he?
Yes, and you just got done saying that Jesus owned nothing. Yet we know He owned clothes. Maybe He didn't think of that.
 
Actually, Jesus taught to give up all possessions to the poor. Did you do so?

Where did you get a device to access this board?

Yes, and you just got done saying that Jesus owned nothing. Yet we know He owned clothes. Maybe He didn't think of that.

Or maybe you don't understand what Jesus was talking about.

When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes... John 19:23

That was the second last thing he gave up. He only had one thing left.
 
Thank you very much for answering my question. I've noticed that many professing Christians obviously don't love their enemies. I don't think that commanding people to love works. Heck, Jesus Himself could be very unloving toward His supposed enemies, in particular the Pharisees. We love those we find to be lovable.
The pharisees weren't his supposed enemies. They were His enemies and tools of Satan. These are the men, along with the Sadducees and Sanhedrin, that tried multiple times to kill Jesus. After succeeding, getting Rome to crucify Jesus (fulfillment of prophecy of the Messiah), they then persecuted the Apostles (all whom gave their life for the faith except John) and followers of the Way. Even Saul of Tarsus, whom we know held the coats of the men who stoned Stephen, the first Christian martyr, heavily persecuted the followers of the Way until the road to Damascus where he began his journey as the Apostle of the Gentiles and writer of the majority of the NT. Do enemies of Christ live today? Obviously. I see them posting here quite often. Is persecution happening against His church today? Yes. Increasingly. And still, even while we were sinners God sent His Son to die for our sins. That, sir, is love incomparable.
 
Actually, Jesus taught to give up all possessions to the poor. Did you do so?
That is what I said. Your possessions is what you harbor in your spirit that is contrary to the perfection of Goid be your own. You will have to give up all if you are to be of God.
Where did you get a device to access this board?
Someone gave it to me, why?
Yes, and you just got done saying that Jesus owned nothing.
He owned noting at all of himself, he totally gave up everything he owned in the temple of the jews that he taught in, gave up the right to himself and put on the Christ, Gods anointing.
Yet we know He owned clothes. Maybe He didn't think of that.
Cloths, houses computers, water, food to eat, all these material things has nothing at all to do with getting rid of all these laws that you possess to regulate your gods. You are no different from what the rich young ruler could not give over to God. You are the very same way.

You argue with God who is a Spirit in His Spirit matters, and not a house, nor a computer, nor water no food, all of that is for the sustains of your mortal body and has noting at all to do with what you possess in your mind.

You are are on the first rung of a ladder that has many of them, you wade the shallow beaches of a very deep ocean that you that have not ventured out in.

Gods kingdom is Spirit, not flesh, not material, God is a Spirit, and Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, materialistic, it is within you, Luke 17:21-22.

When are you guys going to realize that God is a Spirit and all in it is Spirit. Material things that sustain the flesh is noting at all like what sustains the Spirit man.

You have not given over your material things to God that you may receieve from Him His Spiritual things is all. The rich young ruler couldn't understands that either. It isn't about giving up things it is about the things your mind possess, the mind is spirit, not flesh not material.

Wow' never have I ever encountered such elementary understanding. Ye must be born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:16 or there is no way you will give over to God yourself, your own being that you may recieve from Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.
 
What do any of you do because Jesus commands you to? I'm looking for something you don't want to do but do nevertheless because Jesus is your Lord--something that is a true sacrifice on your part.
Here is where you will find His commands,...

John 1:1​
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
And, this is how we live like Jesus lived...

Matthew 4:4​
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

If anyone thinks all we need to do to follow his "few commands" as listed only in the Gospels?
They will be ignoring all the rest of the written word of God which is His thinking! We have
been given the mind of Christ!


This is how we need to live, to live as Jesus lived.... Jesus answered, “It is written.."

His commands come into focus by constantly being taught by competent teachers (there are few to be found) and learning a full array of doctrines that we are to learn to think with, to live by, and to be transformed by into His image.

grace and peace ...........................

Its how the apostles lived! For we will find “It is written." throughout their teachings to the church!
 
What do any of you do because Jesus commands you to? I'm looking for something you don't want to do but do nevertheless because Jesus is your Lord--something that is a true sacrifice on your part.
Here is where you will find His commands,...

John 1:1​
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
And, this is how we live like Jesus lived...

Matthew 4:4​
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

If anyone thinks all we need to do to follow his "few commands" as listed only in the Gospels?
They will be ignoring all the rest of the written word of God which is His thinking! We have
been given the mind of Christ!


This is how we need to live, to live as Jesus lived.... Jesus answered, “It is written.."

His commands come into focus by constantly being taught by competent teachers (there are few to be found) and learning a full array of doctrines that we are to learn to think with, to live by, and to be transformed by into His image.

grace and peace ...........................

Its how the apostles lived! For we will find “It is written." throughout their teachings to the church!


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That is what I said. Your possessions is what you harbor in your spirit that is contrary to the perfection of Goid be your own. You will have to give up all if you are to be of God.

Someone gave it to me, why?

He owned noting at all of himself, he totally gave up everything he owned in the temple of the jews that he taught in, gave up the right to himself and put on the Christ, Gods anointing.

Cloths, houses computers, water, food to eat, all these material things has nothing at all to do with getting rid of all these laws that you possess to regulate your gods. You are no different from what the rich young ruler could not give over to God. You are the very same way.

You argue with God who is a Spirit in His Spirit matters, and not a house, nor a computer, nor water no food, all of that is for the sustains of your mortal body and has noting at all to do with what you possess in your mind.

You are are on the first rung of a ladder that has many of them, you wade the shallow beaches of a very deep ocean that you that have not ventured out in.

Gods kingdom is Spirit, not flesh, not material, God is a Spirit, and Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, materialistic, it is within you, Luke 17:21-22.

When are you guys going to realize that God is a Spirit and all in it is Spirit. Material things that sustain the flesh is noting at all like what sustains the Spirit man.

You have not given over your material things to God that you may receieve from Him His Spiritual things is all. The rich young ruler couldn't understands that either. It isn't about giving up things it is about the things your mind possess, the mind is spirit, not flesh not material.

Wow' never have I ever encountered such elementary understanding. Ye must be born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:16 or there is no way you will give over to God yourself, your own being that you may recieve from Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.

These people think that forsaking all you have means that you walk out your front door naked and leave everything behind.

That's not how it works. Jesus didn't finish leaving everything behind until they took his clothes and breathed his last breath.

But if the Lord does call you to walk out of your house tomorrow and leave it all behind, no matter how little you might have, ya gotta do it. That's the point. We are to be led by the Spirit and be obedient to God's call to obey whatever He wants us to do. If doing His will conflicts with your personal desires to do something else or with the material possessions you have, that's just too bad. Your first love has to be His will and His riches not your will and your riches. Seek FIRST His kingdom and His righteousness. It is not acceptable to just fit God in to your own plans. He is not our servant; we are His.
 
That's not how it works. Jesus didn't finish leaving everything behind until they took his clothes and breathed his last breath.

Jesus wore high quality fine clothes. Its why the soldiers refused to tear one piece up amongst themselves, but chose instead to gamble for it.
Jesus knew how to spend money wisely.
 
The pharisees weren't his supposed enemies. They were His enemies and tools of Satan. These are the men, along with the Sadducees and Sanhedrin, that tried multiple times to kill Jesus. After succeeding, getting Rome to crucify Jesus (fulfillment of prophecy of the Messiah), they then persecuted the Apostles (all whom gave their life for the faith except John) and followers of the Way.
These are just Christian stories. I should point out that tales like these have led to centuries of Christians persecuting Jews. We have very little evidence for Christians being persecuted but much evidence for Christians killing Jews.
Even Saul of Tarsus, whom we know held the coats of the men who stoned Stephen...
We just know the story.
...the first Christian martyr, heavily persecuted the followers of the Way until the road to Damascus where he began his journey as the Apostle of the Gentiles and writer of the majority of the NT.
I find Paul's story to be very suspicious because I see no reason why God would favor Paul that way. I think it's more likely that Paul favored himself.
Do enemies of Christ live today? Obviously. I see them posting here quite often.
You're in an apologetics forum created by Christians. Christian apologetics is a defense of the faith. If you can't defend the faith, then you're in the wrong place.
Is persecution happening against His church today? Yes. Increasingly. And still, even while we were sinners God sent His Son to die for our sins. That, sir, is love incomparable.
I'll take love that doesn't cause me grief.
 
Here is where you will find His commands,...

John 1:1​
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

That's not a command.

And, this is how we live like Jesus lived...

Matthew 4:4​
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

You forgot something:

If anyone wishes to come after me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wishes to save his soul will lose it but whoever loses his soul on account of me will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.

He poured out his soul unto death. He wasn't a hypocrite.

If anyone thinks all we need to do to follow his "few commands" as listed only in the Gospels?
They will be ignoring all the rest of the written word of God which is His thinking! We have
been given the mind of Christ!

Tons of people suppose all they need to do is self identify.

But that won't work will it?
Jesus wore high quality fine clothes. Its why the soldiers refused to tear one piece up amongst themselves, but chose instead to gamble for it.
Jesus knew how to spend money wisely.

You really missed the point. His seamless robe symbolizes the fact that he was clothed in the righteousness of his God.
 
These are just Christian stories. I should point out that tales like these have led to centuries of Christians persecuting Jews. We have very little evidence for Christians being persecuted but much evidence for Christians killing Jews.
You're a little out of touch with reality. But, I agree, there has been crimes committed in the name of "God", but not only by Christians, but Jews, Muslims, Hindu's with their millions of gods, etc. Have you sought out forums for these other belief systems to argue against their crimes? I doubt it. And then there are the crimes by communists, atheists, socialists, "democracies", Communist China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, etc. Are all those just "insert whichever you choose" stories? It's an unfortunate reality but that in no way invalidates the Jews persecuting the Apostles and followers of the Way in the 1st century.
We just know the story.
And you have reason to doubt this because were it true you would have to admit you're a sinner. Shocking thought, right?
I find Paul's story to be very suspicious because I see no reason why God would favor Paul that way. I think it's more likely that Paul favored himself.
Saul favored himself as a pharisee among pharisees, most assuredly and you don't deny the existence of these religious Jews, do you? Why is it so difficult to accept Paul's testimony then? All that said, when Paul was confronted by Jesus on the way to Tarsus and blinded, all his confidence, assuredness, conviction was wiped away and he became a sold-out, convicted born-again Christian. One of the greatest of all apostles and you can't take that away from him, irrespective of your "suspicion".
You're in an apologetics forum created by Christians. Christian apologetics is a defense of the faith. If you can't defend the faith, then you're in the wrong place.
Is the reality that you are an antichrist offensive? As you said, this is a Christian forum and you aren't here to entertain my faith but to attack, so the balls in your court.
I'll take love that doesn't cause me grief.
That makes no sense whatsoever.

Bless you US,

Ldb

P.s. I'm a retired U.S. Army SFC/E-7 with over 21 years of service to my country in the Military Police Corp and Transportation Corp. What type of soldier were you or is your username just that, a username?
 
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I find Paul's story to be very suspicious because I see no reason why God would favor Paul that way. I think it's more likely that Paul favored himself.

God didn't "favor" Paul. That notion came from your imagination just as many of your other comments do. Paul was a Jew, and all Jews were part of the chosen people of God. God called one of his chosen people to suffer for the name of Christ. He wasn't chosen because he was favored or thought to be anyone special. He was chosen because he was a persecutor of Christ and now called to suffer for Christ.
 
Where did Jesus command that? Are you misquoting out of context?
Well, if I'm misquoting Jesus, then you get to keep your goodies, and to heck with the poor! After all, the poor have treasure laid up for them in heaven, and they don't need one cent from you.
 
Actually, Jesus taught to give up all possessions to the poor. Did you do so?

Jesus taught a rich man to give up the wealth of his possessions and give the proceeds to the poor. He didn't need these riches but the poor were in great need. You cannot serve both God and mammon. But God has no problem with having what we need. In fact, He makes sure we have what we need if we genuinely do His will.

You cannot serve God and mammon. 25 “For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

That's a crazy thing to say if you are supposed to give away absolutely everything.

For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either. 8 If we have food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. 1 Tim 6:7-10

Get your facts straight.
 
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That's not a command.
Really missed it... John 1:1 sets the groundwork,and speaks of where to find all his commands.

For the Word of God is the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:16

And, John 1:14 says, that He was the Word made flesh.

So, we must obey his commands? What are they?
This is the command that leads to all his commands..


Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”


This is all foreign to you?

...............
 
Well, if I'm misquoting Jesus, then you get to keep your goodies, and to heck with the poor! After all, the poor have treasure laid up for them in heaven, and they don't need one cent from you.


Go sell your computer then... Or, what ever it is you post here with.
 
These people think that forsaking all you have means that you walk out your front door naked and leave everything behind.

That's not how it works. Jesus didn't finish leaving everything behind until they took his clothes and breathed his last breath.

But if the Lord does call you to walk out of your house tomorrow and leave it all behind, no matter how little you might have, ya gotta do it. That's the point. We are to be led by the Spirit and be obedient to God's call to obey whatever He wants us to do. If doing His will conflicts with your personal desires to do something else or with the material possessions you have, that's just too bad. Your first love has to be His will and His riches not your will and your riches. Seek FIRST His kingdom and His righteousness. It is not acceptable to just fit God in to your own plans. He is not our servant; we are His.
Thats right if God says leave and go to Africa and live in the jungle then just do it, and I did.

Just do it has always been my motto.
 
These are just Christian stories. I should point out that tales like these have led to centuries of Christians persecuting Jews. We have very little evidence for Christians being persecuted but much evidence for Christians killing Jews.
We have much evidence of Christians being persecuted, Saul was good at it. AT first is was evil to be Christian, then it was evil to be non christian, and today it is evil to be christian and our denominations are full of these who persicute we who are actually of Gods anointing, and be that person of Christ that GHod commands of us if we are to be anointed of God, Christ in me.
We just know the story.
We who has that what Jesus had from God live the story, it is who we are.
I find Paul's story to be very suspicious because I see no reason why God would favor Paul that way. I think it's more likely that Paul favored himself.
I totally agree, Paul was slick. He saw that he could not eliminate christians through persecution so he changed his name from Saul to Paul, and made his doctrine for sin that he knew people would adhere to sin instead of the sinless perfections of God in Christ be their own disposition, so he went out to destroy it from the inside and got a lot more people to follow him as a sinner than Jesus ever did to be without sin and Gods righteous.
You're in an apologetics forum created by Christians.
I dispute that, I see it as they are Pauline and a sinner instead of Christian and without sin, perfect even as your Father unshaven is perfect.
Christian apologetics is a defense of the faith. If you can't defend the faith, then you're in the wrong place.
Faith as in the way Paul as a sinner or receiving from HGod His faith. Faith will produce anything that you are determined to produce. Most here cant muster enough faith to even receive the least of gifts, let alone heal the sick.

These has faith in the creedal laws of man made doctrines that they follow instead of exercising the same faith that Jesus manifested from God Himself.
I'll take love that doesn't cause me grief.
God is Love and man is the temple of Him.
 
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